Yes, this is common for all of EU and countries with trade agreements. Which is why we share the A1 (CBT), A2 and A classes. I have the A license. Got 200+km of road experience on a 650 with an instructor before they even let me take the test.Here in the UK you cant ride a 600 legally, UNLESS you obtain your "full motorcycle license" (plus are old enough to do so).
There are lesser licenses, such as CBT (entitlement to ride upto 125cc), also A2 license (limited cc) for younger riders. Are you aware of the Bike license laws in the UK?
PLUS, the bike I talk about, I actually bought off a work colleague, following general chat about bikes - I bought it because it was going cheap, due to being a non-runner at that time. It was going to be a bit of a project at first, but in acquiring it, I obviously wanted to be able to ride it further down the line - hence I went down the route of the lessons and tests to obtain full license.
Does that make more sense to you now? So infact I ended up owning this 600cc bike, even before deciding to go down the route of lessons/bike tests.
ALSO in the UK your take loads of lessons, plus the tests, on a bike around the 600cc size anyway - it's mandatory - so by then, you have MANY hours experience under expect tuition, riding around on a 600cc bike, or there abouts.
So there's members posting from a handful of NON-American countries already, stating their experiences.....
This thread is a discussion on how smart it is to start on a 600cc for an American who could potentially not have much experience or guidance on riding. The rest of the world is obviously smart enough to demand some training and tests before they let you ride them.
I had no idea I came off as irritated or anything. I intended to highlight the fact that we as europeans can start with anything we want. And that its important for americans to get lessons even if they can get away with not doing so.So there's members posting from a handful of NON-American countries already, stating their experiences.
However you pickup on my Post and correct me to the fact this is a discussion on "American" experiences? Even though you responded positively to these other recipients (outside of the fabulous USA)?
Having a bad day or something? Not to worry, I've requested all my Posts here are deleted, as not to irritate anyone else.....
I disagree, but there's a HUGE difference between a modern 600 supersport and the 650cc UJM from the 1980s that I learned to ride. Also, I don't think cruisers are as popular across the pond as in the States, but large displacement cruisers are often still pretty slow compared to other types of bikes with similar displacement. In fact I think the main reason displacement-based licensing will never come to the US is because Harley would fight it. A 600cc limit would rule out every bike they make, even the Sportster.I think, some will shoot me down, the UK/Euro laws about limiting bike riding is actually pretty bang on in my opinion
I disagree, but there's a HUGE difference between a modern 600 supersport and the 650cc UJM from the 1980s that I learned to ride. Also, I don't think cruisers are as popular across the pond as in the States, but large displacement cruisers are often still pretty slow compared to other types of bikes with similar displacement. In fact I think the main reason displacement-based licensing will never come to the US is because Harley would fight it. A 600cc limit would rule out every bike they make, even the Sportster.
Don't think it's about proving something to anybody...It's funny how people all seem to think it's inevitable that riders will grow out of a smaller bike. For a lot of people that might be so, and maybe I'm just an oddball, but heya. I started on a 50, which I don't recommend because nobody respects 50cc scooters. I did trade up to a 150, not because I hated the 50 or felt limited by it, but simply because other motorists made it an unsafe option.
After a while I bought a VF750S, but I kept my 150cc Kymco. The Honda was too big (physical dimensions, not displacement), and not as much fun to ride. Add a pinched spinal nerve to the mix and it was back to the scooter I went.
When my Kymco started to show its age and it was time to get another bike, it was replaced with another 150. I think it comes down to what people like. Personally, I need no phallus enlarger to prove my manliness. I'll drive around in a clown car all day and have a blast.
Sure, I get a kick out of performance vehicles as much as the next guy, but I don't feel like I need to prove anything to anybody.
They way it works in North Carolina is like this, if you're 18 or older you can walk into the DMV office and take a 25 question test, if you pass you get a motorcycle permit. With the permit you can ride a motorcycle legally, no experience required. The only restriction is that you cannot have a passenger. You can have the permit for a year and a half at which time you have to take the riding test. But even that is stupid and a tone can do it.A 19-year-old with no road experience should not be allowed to ride a 115HP super sports bike, or a cruiser with loads of torque etc. That's why the UK, and euro countries limit the HP and size a rider, can well, ride.
The aim of the game is to reduce deaths...Which is does and its proven.
I don't know the bike laws in the USA but for them to ask a rider just to take a written test, then give them a set of keys is stupid without at least a road test! It's absurd in my opinion and offensive to the general public who at any time, be taken out by a new rider who's actually legal because they're answered a few tick boxes.
Its actually crazy