Whats the best touring bike?

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dxeavy said:
Honestly though, every bike CAN be a touring bike. Depends on your level of comfort and appetite for adventure ;)
Well thats the point of the thread really, to see what other people want to take around the world. The Ninja 1000 for me is just the perfect bike, and tho it may not be as comfortable as a Gold Wing, I bet its LOTs more fun.
 
ToastToGo said:
Best touring bike? Probably something with a very neutral riding position and adequate wind protection so you aren't super tired after conquering many highway miles...my guess is something like Trace's BMW. I wouldn't buy one of those though, I'd much rather take that beautiful Ninja 1000 everywhere as well. :)

What? Are you too good for the BMW? Don't hate. You want that bike, admit it. LOL

The best touring bike is the one that *you* can do a thousand mile day on. Once you can reach that limit, everything else is easy, and that is the test of a touring bike. :)

I'm a bit of a freak, so that list includes the Busa, the BMW, and yes, even my TLR.

Get what you like and ignore the rest of us blowhards.
 
Well, IMHO :

The best affordable touring bike is the Kawasaki Versys tourer, hands down. 8-)

It's comfy, has a good long range tank, enough space for a passenger, and good mounts for cases.

The best unaffordable tourer is the BMW R1200GS. It's a fantastic bike all-round, but at 16000€ new, it's out of my league. :oops:

Whatever you do, don't get a Kawasaki Z750 or Z750S as a touring bike. My back is broken after 200 km. Fail. :?
 
First off, you really need to define what you mean by tourer - many people instantly jump to 'adventure touring' from that phrase nowadays, and from there instantly to the Versys, Varadero, GS etc. and skip a lot of other very viable bikes which can go long distances. It also heavily depends on what you want from the ride itself.

My idea of a tourer (relying purely on that single word, without prefix or suffix) is really one that is a jack-of-all trades rather than fitting into any specific category like off-road or sports: both of which have their own tourer variants, but still have very little relation to each other.

I very much like the CBF600SA and 1000 range because they fall into this category - though I'm not putting them forward as the best, just an example of overlooked bikes which I have experience of. The SV650 also falls into that category I think, with both of these ranges even being classed as 'sports tourers' by their manufacturers.

The 600 for example is not a sports bike, yet it has a CBR engine. It's not a off-road bike, yet has a good travel. It's not going to eat road with a huge engine like a 1000-1200, but at only 600 it's got a lot better fuel consumption for those long distances.

At the end of the day, most of these jack-of-all bikes need only a little modification to make a long ride more comfortable - lets face it, even on LWR and LWD they ended up replacing the seats of a bike that was already meant to be one of the kings of long-distance adventure riding.
 
ParisianZee said:
The best affordable touring bike is the Kawasaki Versys tourer, hands down. 8-)

It's comfy, has a good long range tank, enough space for a passenger, and good mounts for cases.

I like you.

The versys is a sweet bike. It is insainly comftable and has really good mpg as long as you ride it like you're meant to, just like you said really.
As long as you don't get the genuine luggage its good.

It's tall though and very heavy. I've sold mine now after owning it 4 months. Had to keep checking bits were still attached after a ride because otherwise it would fall apart.

There's a reason its so afordable.
 
All I know is that this makes me want to sell a kidney.

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Checkout the GW rider at Deals Gap. His name is yellow wolf and he has more camera ( still and Video) than a spy plane. He sells the videos to riders and he can ride very well indeed.
 
Well, on the comfort thing... You guys who say a 650 is too small for touring are a bunch of wusses. :lol: ;) Don't tell me a 650 twin can't cruise comfortably at 70mph. It has to be LOADS more comfortable than a 250 single. Compared to what I'm used to, a 650 would have more power than I would know what to do with.

Let's do a bit of math (not my strong suit, so bear with me...):

My top speed is an indicated 88 (if I REALLY push it and have patience). On long trips, I generally cruise between 55 and 65mph. (I start at 55 to be kind to the engine, but grow impatient after several hours and start going faster LOL).

65 is just under 8k RPM. Redline is 10.5K.

65 out of 88 means I'm running at about 74% capacity. Or, 3/4ths. That's kinda intense. I only have 25% left.

When I had the Ninja 250, my ideal touring/distance pace on the highway was an indicated 75-80. The highest I ever had that bike (indicated) was 103mph (the extra cylinder is a big help on the highway).

80 out of 103 means I was running at about 78% capacity. Again, right around 3/4ths. (That Ninja took that sort of abuse a lot better than the KLX, by the way. The KLX's top end gets noisy. Stupid cam chain weak spot...)

I have done 500 mile days on both bikes. It took 8-9 hours on the Ninja and 12-13 hours on the KLX. The Ninja was slightly more comfortable on my butt and offered better wind protection, but left me feeling SOOO cramped up. It's like riding a little toy. The KLX, on the other hand, has excellent seating position. I never feel cramped up or scrunched on it at all. However, I am basically sitting on a 2x4 and have zero wind protection. I dance in the seat and stand up a lot. Investing in an Air Hawk would solve this butt issue.


So, that's traveling by 250 in a nutshell. The bonus is the gas mileage. It is definitely cheaper to run a 250. Even running my little KLX at three-quarters capacity, I was getting a consistent 61mpg (I get better mileage in town, when the bike's not running so ragged). I made it all the way from Grandview, MO to Mount Ayr, IA on less than 2.5 gallons of gas.


On the other hand... I still want a 650. I am not ready for a liter bike. A 650 will have loads more power than I'm used to and will allow me to make better time.


The top speed on most 650 twins is (supposedly) around 140. I think that's owners being generous, but let's say 130. And I know my preferred touring speed to be about 75 (according to what I liked on the Ninja, in every car I've owned, and what I wish was comfortable on my KLX).

75 out of 130 is about 58%. More than half, but less than 2/3rds. That's a massive improvement from what I'm used to. It will still be torquey and fun in town and not too much power to be comfortable and practical around town. It's a perfect compromise. Plus, you'll still probably be getting about 45-50mpg.


For someone my sized, a liter bike or bigger just doesn't make as much sense. A 650 would pull plenty with me on it, while not being so big and heavy that it's a bear to maneuver in city limits. Well, any 650 but the Versys... That thing is ridiculously top heavy.



Any bike can be a touring bike. It definitely is about how "adventurous" one is willing to be. Budget does come into play, though. I have a 250, because that's what I can afford. I'm not a fan of bike payments in an economy when no job is certain.


If money was no object, though, I'd have a second bike for long hauls. I am about to leave in a few hours for the trip back home (from Minneapolis to Kansas City) and my butt hates me already just thinking about it. I think an Air Hawk will be added to my list of things to buy... Big Bore, new carb, and new header first... but I will need to change the chain and sprockets when I do that... bah.
 
Oh, and a smaller bike is a good excuse to stray from the main highways and Interstates and discover back roads. You may not make good time, but you're having a good time. I love the conversations you get into in small towns, too.
 
lauriejennifer said:
Well, on the comfort thing... You guys who say a 650 is too small for touring are a bunch of wusses.


The engine is big enough for your needs. The frame is too small for my needs.

lauriejennifer said:
On the other hand... I still want a 650. I am not ready for a liter bike. A 650 will have loads more power than I'm used to and will allow me to make better time.

You had a chance to buy my 675, but missed it...
 
matth1138 said:
You had a chance to buy my 675, but missed it...

I realistically could have only afforded half of what you were asking. Friends don't lowball friends. I'm glad you were able to find a buyer at a better price than what I could have given you.

Like I said....

lauriejennifer said:
Budget does come into play, though. I have a 250, because that's what I can afford. I'm not a fan of bike payments in an economy when no job is certain.


If money was no object, though, I'd have a second bike for long hauls...

You asked for an offer, but I was too embarrassed at what that offer would have been. And I knew the bike was worth more than I could afford, and you deserved more for it.
 
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lauriejennifer said:
Well, on the comfort thing... You guys who say a 650 is too small for touring are a bunch of wusses. :lol: ;) Don't tell me a 650 twin can't cruise comfortably at 70mph. It has to be LOADS more comfortable than a 250 single.

75 out of 130 is about 58%. More than half, but less than 2/3rds. That's a massive improvement from what I'm used to. It will still be torquey and fun in town and not too much power to be comfortable and practical around town. It's a perfect compromise. Plus, you'll still probably be getting about 45-50mpg.


For someone my sized, a liter bike or bigger...

I find the 650 small. Engine size as well as frame size. Imo, its about the power band. At 80mph the bike is only at 6k out of 10.5 but it suffers from power. Down shift and its at 10.5k so the power is very choppy at highway speeds.
I can't compare it to a 250 because im fat and tall so I never rode one lol. With me at 6'3" 250lbs, the sv650 hit 139 mph (gps) and held there. So I wouldn't say that 650 owners are dreaming up the top speed. Now keep in mind this is all driving straight lines. In corners, I probably use half of the power that the sv has. As a highway touring bike, id still pass on the sv650
 
It all depends on where, what, when and why.... If you are doing a trip from coast to coast... you can take any bike.... if you are going around the world, well then you want something more Off-roadish. But I agree, you can tour on a KTM 250 or on a Sportster 48 if that is what you want or have.
 
CurlyBlakey said:
Like to bring this page to your attention, although i wouldn't personally do what he has it shows that no matter the power, type, age or make of a motorcycle if you're comfy and it's reliable you can tour on anything!

http://www.talesfromthesaddle.com/

That guy is crazy.

Talking about any bike being suitable for long distance, I've done two trips on my CBR that has shown me how good a sports bike can be for touring. I did 400 miles on it on Thursday, and although my bum hurt a bit after I didn't feel anywhere near as bad as i expected and would happily do it again. The bit that hurt the most was my fuel economy.

The other example is the the camping trip I went on with a few guys from here. You can see the video on my channel linked below, titled singing in the rain. I piled my bike high with loads of stuff and still had loads of space.
 
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