My next bike

[Skant153]

05 became 18-19 really fast there.

R1s are popular because of the hp numbers. Honda has always been focused on weight and maneuverability. At the heart of the CBR is a road bike. It was never intended to be a racer. It was developed to be the best liter bike ever created, and it was. The Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki we're all built to "take down" the CBR. So when you look at the different motivation for building the bikes, you see why there are differences.

The r1 is a fine bike especially if you plan on mixing track days with daily riding. If you're not on the track, the CBR can't be beat for supersport comfortable and ridability. The it's nimble and light weight and you'll feel incredibly on it.

 

[Gemini]

05 became 18-19 really fast there.

R1s are popular because of the hp numbers. Honda has always been focused on weight and maneuverability. At the heart of the CBR is a road bike. It was never intended to be a racer. It was developed to be the best liter bike ever created, and it was. The Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki we're all built to "take down" the CBR. So when you look at the different motivation for building the bikes, you see why there are differences.

The r1 is a fine bike especially if you plan on mixing track days with daily riding. If you're not on the track, the CBR can't be beat for supersport comfortable and ridability. The it's nimble and light weight and you'll feel incredibly on it.

As I mentioned previously I am just considering all my options. The reason I'm considering a couple model year old bikes is because they have various rider aids and would be more reliable. I do not have experience riding liter bikes, so these would be a safer albeit more expensive option. The last thing I need is a motorcycle full of headaches, which might not be the case with an 05 blade, but might be. Thanks for the input as well though, I found just sitting on the '18 blade that is was noticeably more comfortable than the R1

 

[Hippo-Drones]

I guess the best thing to do would be decide 100% what bike you want to go for, rather than what price you'll pay, then look at the best price for that bike. You'll potentially end up on a bike you like less if you worry too much about the cost.

 

[Gemini]

I guess the best thing to do would be decide 100% what bike you want to go for, rather than what price you'll pay, then look at the best price for that bike. You'll potentially end up on a bike you like less if you worry too much about the cost.

That's very true.. I dont want to settle over 2k in price. I actually just got done with a motovlog expressing my concerns on all this. Crazy how just talking to the camera really told me how I really feel to myself. Thoughts can get scrambled easy in my head but when i talk it really comes out clearly

 

[Gemini]

I guess the best thing to do would be decide 100% what bike you want to go for, rather than what price you'll pay, then look at the best price for that bike. You'll potentially end up on a bike you like less if you worry too much about the cost.

So after much headache and research, I'm very confident about the R1 being the bike for me... there are 2 things I dont like about the R1, the ergonomics and lack of a fuel gauge. Everything else is what I want. The main reason the MT10 feels wrong to me is the power down low. I actually like that the R1 is more docile down low, and has less torque early on. The MT10 seems to have much higher insurance rates because of how many people crash them. My insurance quoted me 240 per year on the R1. I'm hearing people are getting quotes as high as 1000 a year on MT10s. That alone could be a deciding factor between the two. That being said I know for awhile the R1 was the bike I wanted. I just cant shake that ominous gut feeling about getting the R1, like bad vibes. It could just be anxiousness and paranoia but who knows.

 

[Skant153]

2 things I dont like about the R1, the ergonomics

that's a pretty big thing to not like. how much saddle time do you plan at a time? i wouldn't want a bike i'm not comfortable on. on a cruiser you can change things, on sport bikes, clipon risers only go so high and can make the bike unstable so there's not a whole lot of adjustment there.

 

[Gemini]

that's a pretty big thing to not like. how much saddle time do you plan at a time? i wouldn't want a bike i'm not comfortable on. on a cruiser you can change things, on sport bikes, clipon risers only go so high and can make the bike unstable so there's not a whole lot of adjustment there.

Well I typically ride either saturday sunday or both, depending. My rides range from 100 to 200 miles per day, freeway to canyon, riding in canyons, then back. On the R3 one day is no problem, back to back days at about 300ish miles my back and neck start to hurt. Judt forgot to mention also, I ride with my butt all the way back while I'm in the twisties, hunched over pretty low, and lots of body movement. I'm not dragging knee everywhere but I get my knee out, chest low, and just practice body position. This adds to the strain on my body. 300 miles of just cruising wouldn't be as bad.

That being said, pretty much all liter bikes lack in the ergonomics department, they arent made for that obviously. It would be hard to find anyone that says they truly find liter bikes comfortable.

 

[Skant153]

your ride on the R1 will be much different than the R3. the R3 is a tiny little bike.
an R3 has about 16 degrees of forward lean where an R1 has 39. your hip angle is also reduced by 12 degrees. you're right, all supersports are going to be pretty much the same. i absolutely think you should get one if you can handle it; the response and handling are incredible, just don't go into it thinking you'll ride it anything like the R3.

a cool website to check out is cycleergo.com. it'll show you the riding triangle for a lot of different bikes. it doesn't get too incredibly new but you can get an idea.

 

[Gemini]

your ride on the R1 will be much different than the R3. the R3 is a tiny little bike.
an R3 has about 16 degrees of forward lean where an R1 has 39. your hip angle is also reduced by 12 degrees. you're right, all supersports are going to be pretty much the same. i absolutely think you should get one if you can handle it; the response and handling are incredible, just don't go into it thinking you'll ride it anything like the R3.

a cool website to check out is cycleergo.com. it'll show you the riding triangle for a lot of different bikes. it doesn't get too incredibly new but you can get an idea.

Awesome I will have to check that out. And yeah just sitting on the liter bikes I can tell it's a whole nother animal, and like I said it's not a feature I enjoy per say. Its one if those things I may have to put up with if I want what else the R1 has to offer. It was also a reason I'm considering the MT10, but it almost defeats the purpose of getting a new bike for me. I definitely dont LOVE the MT10, there are many more cons than the R1 for me. Lower redline, much more torque down low (I view this as a con because I'm not into wheelies in 4th gear), the lower redline contributes to a different soundtrack from it (much deeper than the r1 for the most part, whereas the R1 screams) the looks are about a 7/10 for me, and I know I enjoy the fully faired sportbike look. However the MT10 is cheaper (assuming insurance isnt crazy) has a fuel gauge and cruise control (but no tft...) and has infinitely better ergonomics.

 

[Skant153]

dealers list vins on their website, you can call your insurance company and get a quote for a new mt10 and r1 and see for yourself. your friends may have much worse (or potentially better) records than you which raise their rates. I have 4 motorcycles, my annual premium is $135.

not gonna lie, your explanation of what you don't like about the MT10 bugs me a little. It's obviously a road bike. many road bikes are tuned to hit peak torque at lower RPMs. that's simply because that's where you're actually using the bike. with the supersports, the peak torque is above 8500, you're not spending a whole lot of time there unless you're on a track so it's a complete waste. the MT10 having a peak torque at lower revs is more fun because you'll actually use it. you're not going to be doing wheelies in 4th or out of corners for that matter. you will enjoy pinning it at 4k RPM and having a much better response on the MT10.

a lot of people like to just say they have a big, liter bike but a 600 would suit them better because it's smaller and lighter so you can flip it around more easily and you can actually use most of the bikes available power. you can see guys at track days on 600s crushing people with brand new liter bikes because the only benefit the liter bikes have is in the straights, the 600 is more nimble and controllable in the corners. granted mine is 23 years old, but i love my fireblade on the track, on the road, i'd prefer something with more grunt at lower RPMs.

having said that, i don't discourage the purchase of a liter bike at all. they're the best of everything the manufacturer has to offer. they're exquisite. just make sure you get it for the right reasons, a lot of what you've said seems to be misinformation or misconception. i'm sure you're redlining the R3, you will not be doing that on the R1.

 

[Gemini]

dealers list vins on their website, you can call your insurance company and get a quote for a new mt10 and r1 and see for yourself. your friends may have much worse (or potentially better) records than you which raise their rates. I have 4 motorcycles, my annual premium is $135.

not gonna lie, your explanation of what you don't like about the MT10 bugs me a little. It's obviously a road bike. many road bikes are tuned to hit peak torque at lower RPMs. that's simply because that's where you're actually using the bike. with the supersports, the peak torque is above 8500, you're not spending a whole lot of time there unless you're on a track so it's a complete waste. the MT10 having a peak torque at lower revs is more fun because you'll actually use it. you're not going to be doing wheelies in 4th or out of corners for that matter. you will enjoy pinning it at 4k RPM and having a much better response on the MT10.

a lot of people like to just say they have a big, liter bike but a 600 would suit them better because it's smaller and lighter so you can flip it around more easily and you can actually use most of the bikes available power. you can see guys at track days on 600s crushing people with brand new liter bikes because the only benefit the liter bikes have is in the straights, the 600 is more nimble and controllable in the corners. granted mine is 23 years old, but i love my fireblade on the track, on the road, i'd prefer something with more grunt at lower RPMs.

having said that, i don't discourage the purchase of a liter bike at all. they're the best of everything the manufacturer has to offer. they're exquisite. just make sure you get it for the right reasons, a lot of what you've said seems to be misinformation or misconception. i'm sure you're redlining the R3, you will not be doing that on the R1.

I completely understand your point of view and you're not wrong whatsoever. I may have been a bit erroneous with my explanation. I dont really need the power down low because I actually wont be using it. I dont really plan on using the up top power of the R1 as well. I'm pretty much upgrading bikes for the looks and sounds. It has nothing to do with what others think of me as redundant as that might sound. Its more that I see my bike in the garage and am dying to ride it. To hear the engine. Riders POV. All that good stuff. In other words I'm pretty much wasting my money because performance isnt really what I'm looking for at all, if im being honest. Of course having something with more power will be nice for freeway riding. But I'm not planning on pushing either bike to the limit. I just want to love what I ride... I know this sounds ridiculous honestly. I have just come to the realization of why I ride, and what i enjoy about riding. I like being outside, in the canyons with spectacular views, and the enjoyment of just riding a motorcycle. And what makes that experience special or different isnt dragging knee, or pulling away from other riders... it's the sound, the feel, and the thought of riding such a spectacular piece of machinery that intrigues me. Call me crazy I guess but originally I just wanted to be that fast, knee down canyon racer... that's changed quite a bit now

TL;DR:
I'm not a fast rider, and dont want to be anymore. I used to want to be fast. I want to ride something that sounds good, looks good. Performance is just a bonus.

 

[Skant153]

in that case, have you heard a vfr with a proper pipe?

 

[Gemini]

in that case, have you heard a vfr with a proper pipe?

I'm not sure they sell these in the US. I just checked on cycle trader and dealership websites. No dice. At least no new ones.

Edit: didnt realize it was discontinued after 2014.

 

[Skant153]

they don't make them any more. some dealers still have NOS but that's hard to find. tried to pick up a 2014 new old stock last year but someone beat me to it. it's a really cool sounding bike with that v4 in it (v four racing). it was a step between the st1300 and a cbr. similar ergos to the F4i.

 

[Gemini]

they don't make them any more. some dealers still have NOS but that's hard to find. tried to pick up a 2014 new old stock last year but someone beat me to it. it's a really cool sounding bike with that v4 in it (v four racing). it was a step between the st1300 and a cbr. similar ergos to the F4i.

Yeah I just wish they had newer ones. Part of the R1 is the TFT and QSS. It's really a complete package but with shitty ergonomics for regular street conditions.

 

[Hippo-Drones]

Sounds like your mind's made up mate, if you are only buying for the sound and looks, that is entirely subjective, and only you can say what sound or looks float ya boat. Grab the prettiest sweetest sounding bike that you like and enjoy.

 

[Gemini]

Sounds like your mind's made up mate, if you are only buying for the sound and looks, that is entirely subjective, and only you can say what sound or looks float ya boat. Grab the prettiest sweetest sounding bike that you like and enjoy.

Thanks mate I really appreciate everyone's input.. I just cant shake the feeling that it's stupid to buy a bike outlet because you like it, versus buying a bike for what it is meant for.. thays why I kept my mind open to the MT10 as well.

 

[Skant153]

What is a bike for other than liking it? I mean, there's a lot of different bikes you can like, they don't get mad about that like women. I always tell people to own as many bikes as they can, maybe not all at once, but it allows you to try everything and figure out what you really like. You might think a particular bike is stupid till it's yours then you'll see what everyone else does about it. And definitely get the sport bikes while you're young and can enjoy/tolerate them.

 

[WEB]

If that's your motivation then definitely get the '05 Repsol, why spend $10k more for not more enjoyment? If it was the performance you're after (even though an '05 CBR1k is still a devastatingly fast bike) then OK but I don't see why you'd go for a later model litre bike if the '05 Repsol will give you everything you're looking for.

BTW the 90's carb'd literbikes sound way better than the new ones.

What's a 959 Panigale worth? Now there's a pretty bike.

 

[Gemini]

If that's your motivation then definitely get the '05 Repsol, why spend $10k more for not more enjoyment? If it was the performance you're after (even though an '05 CBR1k is still a devastatingly fast bike) then OK but I don't see why you'd go for a later model litre bike if the '05 Repsol will give you everything you're looking for.

BTW the 90's carb'd literbikes sound way better than the new ones.

What's a 959 Panigale worth? Now there's a pretty bike.

I'm still considering all options honestly, just been discussing it with several people including my fiancee. I'm keeping an open mind and not trying to rush into anything. The thing about the repsol is finding one in the right condition, I'm worried I'll buy one and then realize it needs 3 or 4 grand in repairs. I think one conclusion I've come to is waiting for the title and selling my R3 private party before making any decisions. I dont think I can afford to take the 1500 to 2000 dollar hit on trading it in.