Serious Islam

[Kill Kitty]

We have in this scenario Muslims, Islamophobia and Terrorism. Muslims are unjustly subjected to Islamophobia... I get that and it is not right, just like any discrimination is not right.
We also have Terrorism and its devastating affects on the innocent victims and their families.
What I don't get is why Islamophobia stirs people to Vlog about it and condone it MORE than Terrorism and its terrible consequences.
To be so empathic about one aspect, and lets face it...it is the one with the least severe outcomes.... Does not make sense to me.
For the sake of balance and perspective give both an equal voice in your vlogs .... otherwise it comes across as "Just another Hand Wringer trying to be politically correct".
This is why I commend "Spacepod" who actually, spoke out against Terrorism on his Vlogs without making the Islamophic associations that many do.

So sorry Kill Kitty, did not find the Video controversial or particularly hard hitting, more obvious and un-controversial.

Hope you can accept my honest feed back....

I condemn terrorism in the video in all forms, state sponsored and otherwise. But I think a conversation needs to be had about the root causes of terrorism. This conversation gets avoided at all costs because our knee-jerk reaction is to just go "Terrorism=bad" instead of asking ourselves the harder questions about what might ACTUALLY be causing/spreading/encouraging it. So my disclaimer that it might be considered "controversial" is really just a heads-up for anyone who thinks asking this question is somehow "empathetic" to terrorists. I do not believe in offering a "balance" to my perspective. I think if I tried to do that then I set the problem up as if I could possibly determine the full range of ideas..."Here is my idea and now here is the flip side, choose a side". There is not an opposite and equal voice for me to present to make things "fair and balanced". I'm not defining that for you the way we've grown used to the news doing that for us. There is just me sharing MY OWN viewpoint and then whatever discussion with people that follows. I believe people are better off generating their own ideas. I don't prefer the dichotomous style you are referring to because it is limiting. I will have to check out Spacepod's video. I haven't seen it yet. Thanks for the response.

 

[Kill Kitty]

It's all about money and power no matter which side you are on... no surprise there. Some people are so righteous, they can't be wrong and some people are so wrong, they can't be right. I'm a little dismayed by which direction this world has turned within the last 14 years... It's almost like the turbulent '60's all over again but different . Time to head for the shelters because there's only five years until the next decade and we're still stuck in a rut .

...will things get better or worse ? Only time will tell ~_~ .....

Better I think but it's always darkest before dawn.

 

[Kill Kitty]

It's always interesting to see how we discredit opposing view points by calling them names and assign these negative, scary-sounding adjectives to them, immediately making them loose, especially nowadays. "Fat shamer?", "Islamophobic"?, "rape-apologist"?, insert other ridiculous made-up compound word here*.

We should be able to call out and point the finger at beliefs that have consequences on the life of other people.
When someone points out that maybe there is a deep rooted problem (maybe even a link) with Catholicism and pedophilia (referring to priests here) people listen and say that we need to reform Catholicism to get rid of this problem. It would be ridiculous to call someone who points this out to be a "Catholiphobic"? And (using a card from the "Islamophobia" people here) even racists, because hey, even if a religion is not a race most Catholics are Latins, right?

As ridiculous as that sounds, when it comes to Islam it's exactly the logic that is applied. When someone points out, like Bill Maher (just to use a recent well-known example) that maybe there is a problem (maybe a link?) with Islam and terrorism based on decades of evidence (stoning women to death, beheadings in Saudi Arabia, sharia law) they get called a racist, bigot, Islamophobic, etc. It's not generalizing but it's formulating a hypothesis that is immediately shut down and discredited by being called names and forced to apologize. It's dishonest and immediately shuts down any sort of progress or exchange of ideas that can be made to reach a point of agreement.

Of course there are people that are bigoted against certain races, ideas, faiths, ideologies, etc. But so what? They don't deserve our consideration, as well as hurting someone's feelings should not keep us from criticizing bad ideas.

Apples to oranges I think. The woman I discuss in the video blatantly refused business to people for their religion. This is different than pointing out a correlation between fundamentalism and terrorism. I make no claim that criticizing Islam is Islamophobic. I think people should be critical, always, of everything. There would be a difference though if say, you go to an amusement park and they say "are you catholic" and you say "yes" and they go, "sorry we don't serve your kind here. You are catholic and catholics are a danger to children". See? There is a HUGE difference there. I'm not saying don't criticize Islam. I'm saying don't treat people like garbage.

 

[Kill Kitty]

I think people just need to listen to historians and philosophers who have been studding these subjects for decades. Rather than people who think free speech applies to there life, talking for the sake of it. That's why I don't talk about this shit in my videos, you are just inviting the Bigots to come out and play.

To be honest, if you look at someone who is, White, black, Asian, Hispanic, Fat, Thin, Gay, Straight, Transgender, Autistic, of a certain Faith .etc and you don't just see another human, you are part of the problem. It's not because you say Fat people are disgusting, it's because you honestly believe it makes them lower than you! << If anyone feels this way about being born a certain way, or living life a certain way, that doesn't harm anyone except maybe themselves, Go Fuck Yourself!

Don't like Gay Marriage, don't marry a gay person
don't like fat people, don't get fat
don't like Islam, don't become a Muslim

Islam is a problem, as much as the whole fucking Human race is a problem! So don't act so elitist, because you weren't born into a Muslim family.

Some people are evil! and want to kill others, martyrs for reasons that some of there family can never understand. But then to point at someone you don't know, and say 'You are the problem' and how the EDL want to kill Muslims! Does no one see the Hypocrisy? Shunning and Killing others for your own beliefs.

I agree with this 99% (except I DO believe in talking for the sake of it) in my view, what I think is not better left to experts. I don't want to disengage from it because bigots might use it for fodder. They can waste their energy all they want. This video has actually led to a lot of cool discussion. So I'm glad for that. I put my honest viewpoint out there and hopefully that's refreshing for some people. It might give others hemorrhoids. Lol.

 

[superaar99]

Apples to oranges I think. The woman I discuss in the video blatantly refused business to people for their religion. This is different than pointing out a correlation between fundamentalism and terrorism. I make no claim that criticizing Islam is Islamophobic. I think people should be critical, always, of everything. There would be a difference though if say, you go to an amusement park and they say "are you catholic" and you say "yes" and they go, "sorry we don't serve your kind here. You are catholic and catholics are a danger to children". See? There is a HUGE difference there. I'm not saying don't criticize Islam. I'm saying don't treat people like garbage.

I think I get your point a lot better now. But I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. There is a huge leap in disagreeing with an idea and discriminating people that have a different one (as you pointed out). My point was that there is an environment that has been created recently that any sort of criticism of Islam gets put in a box with a label and discarded (not referring to you, I just saw it a lot after the Charle Hebdo shooting) in which you're a racist or a piece of sh*t for criticizing. Which seems odd to me considering the amount of criticism other religions get, be it for past actions done hundreds of years ago or things that are still happening (legitimate criticism I might add).
There's always going to be the idiots like the lady you mention that will look at another human being and hate them without knowing them (for race, religion, political ideology...) and there isn't much we can do about them, if they believe that then that's their business and may they continue their sad life.
Anyway, nice to see a really loaded topic and its always nice to see what people think. Cheers!

 

[Kill Kitty]

I think I get your point a lot better now. But I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. There is a huge leap in disagreeing with an idea and discriminating people that have a different one (as you pointed out). My point was that there is an environment that has been created recently that any sort of criticism of Islam gets put in a box with a label and discarded (not referring to you, I just saw it a lot after the Charle Hebdo shooting) in which you're a racist or a piece of sh*t for criticizing. Which seems odd to me considering the amount of criticism other religions get, be it for past actions done hundreds of years ago or things that are still happening (legitimate criticism I might add).
There's always going to be the idiots like the lady you mention that will look at another human being and hate them without knowing them (for race, religion, political ideology...) and there isn't much we can do about them, if they believe that then that's their business and may they continue their sad life.
Anyway, nice to see a really loaded topic and its always nice to see what people think. Cheers!

yeah! so yes, that's a great point and it highlights the need for balance (in the sense of not going to extremes, not "balance" how the news sees it like presenting supposedly opposite viewpoints and treating them like they are equally valid). The trouble with stuff is that it seems like people on "either side" go to extremes almost immediately. So misusing these terms in a "boy-who-cried-wolf" scenario just sort of derails the conversation, but it's totally worth pointing out because it DOES happen. Like "sexual harassment". Sexual harassment is real. It has a very specific definition. It happens to people. But then you have this whole issue of people labeling anything and everything "sexual harassment" and suddenly in the minds of people it becomes this joke. It trivializes a REAL problem. If I had to guess at a reason, it's because culturally, we are conditioned to frame all things as a debate with a right and wrong side. So people go to extremes because they aren't so much interested in uncovering a unifying truth as they are simply bashing the "other side" and "winning". Anywho, great point and I'm glad you pointed it out!

 

[superaar99]

yeah! so yes, that's a great point and it highlights the need for balance (in the sense of not going to extremes, not "balance" how the news sees it like presenting supposedly opposite viewpoints and treating them like they are equally valid). The trouble with stuff is that it seems like people on "either side" go to extremes almost immediately. So misusing these terms in a "boy-who-cried-wolf" scenario just sort of derails the conversation, but it's totally worth pointing out because it DOES happen. Like "sexual harassment". Sexual harassment is real. It has a very specific definition. It happens to people. But then you have this whole issue of people labeling anything and everything "sexual harassment" and suddenly in the minds of people it becomes this joke. It trivializes a REAL problem. If I had to guess at a reason, it's because culturally, we are conditioned to frame all things as a debate with a right and wrong side. So people go to extremes because they aren't so much interested in uncovering a unifying truth as they are simply bashing the "other side" and "winning". Anywho, great point and I'm glad you pointed it out!

Yes, it seems always the extremes are loudest and things are dumbed down as a black or white issue. I always think most people are sort of in the middle of things but the most vocal are the extremes. The media plays a part in this with their split screen spectacle debates, and this gives people a distorted view of the "sides" of an issue.

 

[BikeRamble]

Can't read the whole string. Nicely done. Really well said around some difficult topics. Being Aussie, and having handled plenty of firearms, I'm not sure about the effect of the right to bear arms. To me it just seems like a recipe for epic gun crime.

But the rest of it - nicely said. Delicately put, as I imagine it was also quite brave to say.

Poor seppos.

 

[CaturLifeLive]

i'm getting heart attack when i see it. this very different with my place . In Indonesia and especially Bali, you will see a very high religious tolerance. so all people can peaceful coexistence. for example you will see a Mosque ,side by side with Church or Temple . And on my opinion Not all terrorists are Muslim, but 99% of them have Muslim names.

 

[Kill Kitty]

i'm getting heart attack when i see it. this very different with my place . In Indonesia and especially Bali, you will see a very high religious tolerance. so all people can peaceful coexistence. for example you will see a Mosque ,side by side with Church or Temple . And on my opinion Not all terrorists are Muslim, but 99% of them have Muslim names.

*runs off to subscribe to your channel to see Indonesia.

 

[Kill Kitty]

Can't read the whole string. Nicely done. Really well said around some difficult topics. Being Aussie, and having handled plenty of firearms, I'm not sure about the effect of the right to bear arms. To me it just seems like a recipe for epic gun crime.

But the rest of it - nicely said. Delicately put, as I imagine it was also quite brave to say.

Poor seppos.

Some day I'll do a proper vlog about the right to bear arms...I've got a really, I guess unique perspective? (I'm obviously not a conservative typical gun-type person, yet I do carry). I enjoy talking to non-Americans about that topic, and there are a lot of different points to think about. Thanks for watching and commenting

 

[Mach1 Aus]

That sentiment is what the vast majority of Australian believe as well mate.

 

[BikeRamble]

Some day I'll do a proper vlog about the right to bear arms...I've got a really, I guess unique perspective? (I'm obviously not a conservative typical gun-type person, yet I do carry). I enjoy talking to non-Americans about that topic, and there are a lot of different points to think about. Thanks for watching and commenting

Yeah I'd like to hear it. Coming from Australia, and having handled a few firearms (though not semi-autos or handguns), I think we could have an interesting conversation. Australia, after all, is the poster example for gun control advocates - not a single mass shooting since semi-autos and full-autos were banned and magazine sizes were limited.

Anyway, nice video.

 

[BikeRamble]

What we should do is get a phone card and do a dual vlog from the UK to US chatting about it.

 

[CaturLifeLive]

*runs off to subscribe to your channel to see Indonesia.

Thanks in Advance

 

[Kill Kitty]

What we should do is get a phone card and do a dual vlog from the UK to US chatting about it.

That would be so amazingly awesome.

 

[Kill Kitty]

Yeah I'd like to hear it. Coming from Australia, and having handled a few firearms (though not semi-autos or handguns), I think we could have an interesting conversation. Australia, after all, is the poster example for gun control advocates - not a single mass shooting since semi-autos and full-autos were banned and magazine sizes were limited.

Anyway, nice video.

I have MANY thoughts on this. I really want to do a vlog specifically on the topic of mass shootings, but unfortunately there never seems to be a lull in the violence that would make such a video seem appropriate.

 

[BikeRamble]

I have MANY thoughts on this. I really want to do a vlog specifically on the topic of mass shootings, but unfortunately there never seems to be a lull in the violence that would make such a video seem appropriate.

This assumes it is only appropriate to talk about painful things when they're not painful any more...

I might suggest the opposite is true.

Heck, after every shooting the NRA come out in favour of gun ownership - seemingly thinking that all this gun violence is caused by too few guns....

 

[RoninK6]

Well, because we need the wild west all over again ... total freedom and few laws are the cure-all to everything >_> ~

 

[BikeRamble]

Well, because we need the wild west all over again ... total freedom and few laws are the cure-all to everything >_> ~

Yep - just like in Somalia. Sweet, sweet freedom