Camera Placement Safety

Exactly. It'd be pretty darn expensive for a decent, extensive study though. Multiple hit angles and velocities with different camera shapes and mounts. At very least I'd like to see how much force it'd take to crack a helmet with a direct hit to the camera.
 
Telling someone they are fooling themselves is vastly different to saying someone is a fool. suggest people take care misinterpretation words.

On a separate note, no-one has mentioned microphones. In many cases I can imagine that the camera will not cause any issue, but something solid inside the helmet and able to be pushed directly into the face could be more of a problem
 
I don't think there will ever be any study because nobody really cares enough. When I say nobody, I mean not a large enough group of people. It costs hundreds of thousands for crash and wind tunnel testing and analysis. And as soon as you make a helmet with integrated camera design, you alienate a huge chunk of the market who don't want a camera. So then you have to make 2 variants. And the camera one will only ever sell to a very niche market.

Unless there are suddenly a bunch of factual recorded cases of people being hurt BECAUSE they had a camera on their helmet, the helmet manufacturers will give the problem exactly ZERO time.

As for my helmet causing a point force in a crash, there is a LOT of really point shizz out there that's a lot harder and bigger than my camera. I'd prefer to focus my efforts on not hitting any of them with my bonce!
 
^people sayin the camera on the side of the helmet can cause the damage, What about certain styles of helmets with odd things sticking out ect. I just think he was unlucky as theres also storys to people being saved by cameras on there helmets
 
Exactly, there's always evidence in the other direction with these things. Too many variables.

My dad once had a crash of road when he wasn't even wearing a helmet (I know. Not cool) except if he had, it would have almost certainly pulled his head off!
 
Ooh, the American argument, that's a whole different thread :)

With this point source impact business, how does a camera stack up to landing on the 90 degree angle of a kerb stone? Back to the Schumacher thing, is a GoPro on a helmet any different to making your helmet on a pointy out bit of rock? I'd say that is quite a realistic scenario off-piste.
 
O8ride said:
Telling someone they are fooling themselves is vastly different to saying someone is a fool. suggest people take care misinterpretation words.
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My issue is with the overly aggressive misinterpretation of my argument, which is that we just don't know the extent that cameras affect safety. I'm not saying they're safe at all but someone just can't see past the red mist.

Only took 3 attempts to post this time :)
 
In my helmet, and every other one, there is a load of hard padding on the other side of the soft cheek pads, right next to my eyes before you get to the casing. Surely a camera lens/microphone combo is able to be inserted there inside this (what I will term) styrofoam, with a wire coming out through the back or side of the helmet underneath all the styrofoam, able to connect to the actual camera hardware, battery and controls that could be the size of an iphone held in a pocket (or in the case of racers, suitably padded within the back-hump of their leathers).

Or the lens could be built into the flexible and removable noseguard/windguard etc.

It shouldn't be too difficult for a quality manufacturer to branch into this niche market
 
Techmoan actually reviewed a camera that was essentially that exact setup. A lens on the end of a lead with an iphone sized monitor and 'brain' at the other end. So it's certainly not impossible!

I reckon it's simply a question of demand though. There are what, about 2500 of us members on here. And this is international. So even if we all bought the exact same model helmet, the company that designed it would certainly go bankrupt overnight.
 
AndyManCam said:
Techmoan actually reviewed a camera that was essentially that exact setup. A lens on the end of a lead with an iphone sized monitor and 'brain' at the other end. So it's certainly not impossible!

I reckon it's simply a question of demand though. There are what, about 2500 of us members on here. And this is international. So even if we all bought the exact same model helmet, the company that designed it would certainly go bankrupt overnight.
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Ok, but maybe you don't need to design the helmet, merely produce the inserts that fit inside specific helmets along with the product.
 
O8ride said:
Oh dear. Is that someone (sic!) ensuring you don't get the top poster award?
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No idea, this account works perfectly.

I don't care about the top poster thing at all, I even suggested stopping someone from getting it 2 months in a row when I won the first one.

By the way, the dictionaries for the English language, unlike most others, adapts itself to the modern uses of language. Don't be surprised when you see "someone" in there soon, see the new definition for "literally" as an example. I wasn't referring to you anyway dear with the red mist comment :)
 
Alternatively, you could produce a product that can attach to the styrofoam well without bouncing, and the wire comes out the side rather than the back, and goes inbetween the styrofoam and the removable cheek pads. That way, you don't even need to design the helmet, just attach the lens in the right place
 
Giggity!

the timing of the issues does seem really weird though. I get it on multiple devices on multiple browsers in multiple countries. Any other account I use is always fine.
 
But that would mean either designing a specific helmet with space for this camera insert, same problem of demand. Even if the helmet had a 'dummy' insert to fill the space where the camera would eventually go, this will add to the manufacturing cost, the part count and the assembly cost of the helmet. And only those who intend to put the camera in there would accept that extra.

OR you'd be expecting folks to be happy about removing chunks of their existing helmet to stuff a camera in there. I know that there are a few loose cannons who'd not think twice about it!! But I would sooner leave the camera outside than reduce the protection of my helmet.

OVERALL I'm not saying it's a bad idea. It would be awesome! Even better if the whole thing could be integrated into the lid. But the cost would be exorbitant. I know it's a little more advanced, but just look at the cost of the new Skully Helmet. It's about $1000. Most of my bikes have cost less!
 
Lens on a lead would easily fit anywhere without needing to do anything other than loosen the lining to run the cable neatly. I know people who have jammed a Mobius in between the side and brow padding.
 
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