So... Like... Front Brake Or Rear Brake?

[RiderInRed]

^ Great Post! Can engine braking generate detrimental wear and tear on the engine?
I know it's used extensively, both on bikes plus in cars.

I don't think it will to be honest.

I'd like to ask though, how do you use engine breaking in regular traffic for stopping? I use it to control my max speed on slopes and hills and well slowing down but when I'm stopping I've noticed if I pull the clutch and break i have more stopping power as my breaking pads aren't also fighting the engine

 

[DanielJ]

I don't think it will to be honest.

I'd like to ask though, how do you use engine breaking in regular traffic for stopping? I use it to control my max speed on slopes and hills and well slowing down but when I'm stopping I've noticed if I pull the clutch and break i have more stopping power as my breaking pads aren't also fighting the engine

Coolio! Suppose as long as you aren't engine braking while going down through the gears and suddenly hitting 9 - 10K revs, its fairly safe...

I tend to be in a low gear while filtering, so I have faster acceleration, should I need to get out of a sticky situation quickly (anyone cutting lanes towards me), also so other cars can more likely hear my engine/exhaust, as I'm coming alongside/past (louder)....

 

[Scootnfool]

I don't think it will to be honest.

I'd like to ask though, how do you use engine breaking in regular traffic for stopping? I use it to control my max speed on slopes and hills and well slowing down but when I'm stopping I've noticed if I pull the clutch and break i have more stopping power as my breaking pads aren't also fighting the engine

Anticipate.

Engine braking won't help much with the last stages of progressive braking on a manual bike since you're going to have to pull the clutch to avoid a stall. It's more important for slowing and anticipating the eventual stop.

TBH, I never have observed engine braking and wheel braking to be fighting each other in any of the vehicles I've operated. The two work together with both the engine and the brakes working to slow the rear wheel.

Also bear in mind, I ride a 150cc scooter. I don't have to worry about the clutch since it's all centrifugal and minds its own business.

 

[RiderInRed]

Anticipate.

Engine braking won't help much with the last stages of progressive braking on a manual bike since you're going to have to pull the clutch to avoid a stall. It's more important for slowing and anticipating the eventual stop.

TBH, I never have observed engine braking and wheel braking to be fighting each other in any of the vehicles I've operated. The two work together with both the engine and the brakes working to slow the rear wheel.

Also bear in mind, I ride a 150cc scooter. I don't have to worry about the clutch since it's all centrifugal and minds its own business.

gotcha, Idk. I really tend to notice better braking when I engage the clutch. I also remember reading about it somewhere.
But yes, for controling your speed and slowing and speeding, Engine does most of the things. Although! I keep reminding people who use engine braking quite extensively to remember that the guy behind them doesn't see a brake light turn on so might not notice you slowing down.

Coolio! Suppose as long as you aren't engine braking while going down through the gears and suddenly hitting 9 - 10K revs, its fairly safe...

I tend to be in a low gear while filtering, so I have faster acceleration, should I need to get out of a sticky situation quickly (anyone cutting lanes towards me), also so other cars can more likely hear my engine/exhaust, as I'm coming alongside/past (louder)....

If you wanna break with the engine, don't go too low on the gear. If you're going down on a gear and it jumps up to 9-10k then you need a gear higher. That'll put it down by a few k's and shoudl still brake your engine down. Once it slows down a little, then blip the throttle and downshift and let the clutch go again, it'll break further.

 

[Scootnfool]

gotcha, Idk. I really tend to notice better braking when I engage the clutch. I also remember reading about it somewhere.
But yes, for controling your speed and slowing and speeding, Engine does most of the things. Although! I keep reminding people who use engine braking quite extensively to remember that the guy behind them doesn't see a brake light turn on so might not notice you slowing down.

Indeed. I have a Vololights plate frame to help with this, though the engine braking on my scooter is not always dramatic enough to set off the accelerometer in it. For a regular bike, it works great.

Even with the frame, I've made it part of my braking procedure that the first thing I do when slowing is tap the rear brake to make the light flash, even if I'm not using the wheel brakes and just slowing with the engine for a corner or whatnot.

 

[RiderInRed]

Indeed. I have a Vololights plate frame to help with this, though the engine braking on my scooter is not always dramatic enough to set off the accelerometer in it. For a regular bike, it works great.

Even with the frame, I've made it part of my braking procedure that the first thing I do when slowing is tap the rear brake to make the light flash, even if I'm not using the wheel brakes and just slowing with the engine for a corner or whatnot.

I do that too! If the guy is dirving to close to me from behind I tap a few times every few seconds so he realizes my intention to stop. Nothing drastic though so I don't get rearended