So how are they doing it?
- Thread starter Baldbiker
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Right, so for context, anyone with a cell phone in a place that has 4g cell phone reception is Ecuador, Nicaragua, etc, has 10x faster upload capacity than your place does.
Anyone with 5G cell phone service (a lot of north america) is going to have 700x faster upload capacity.
Baldbiker
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Ok so here is an update. I did a little experiment. I uploaded a small video file to my Youtube channel that is only 61 meg. Using my phone via wifi to my Bell Internet DSL line at home it took 20 minutes to upload. Then I disconnected wifi on my phone and went to mobile data and uploaded it again. It took only 4 minutes. The problem is, my plan only allows up to 5 gb data per month before major charges kick in, so I can't use that to upload videos. If I bought a SIM card and switched cards in my phone, I could upload them mobile without wifi but Im paying for the cards as I go at a whopping $50 for 10GB which would barely cover 1 video upload, plus I can't use my regular phone without it's original sim card. I could use the phone via whatever wifi I may find at a hotel but it would probably be too slow to upload on the road that way. Still not sure how Itchyboots can master this logistical problem.
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Hippo-Drones
Pleb
Can you not update your contract with your mobile provider? I get unlimited data, unlimited texts and unlimited calls for around £20 a month in the UK
Our prices here are fucked. We have serious collision between the three telecom companies. It's greasy as hell. Something like what you're talking about would be well over $100. We get shafted up here on that stuff.
Hippo-Drones
Pleb
Ouch!
Baldbiker
L Plate Member
This is Ontario Canada, we have the highest internet and cell phone rates in the world unfortunately. I might be able to find an unlimited package, but it would be a big hassle for me. This isn't important enough to be changing cell phone providers either, but thanks for the feedback.
Baldbiker
L Plate Member
Yes, you gave a good diagram too. I'm working with it as I said. I don't think I'm going to come up with any epiphanys, but I am starting to understand the process of uploading with the cell phone and towers as opposed to someone's wifi. I have been doing experiments, it is a faster upload than I get, but the data charges would make it unviable. I can see now this is probably how someone like Noraly is uploading although she claims to be simply using wifi and her laptop. How she gets 36 minute 4k vids up so quickly is still a mystery. Maybe internet speeds in the farthest, most remote corners of the world are still better than we get in overpriced Ontario. Looks like I'm just going to have to get by on updates through the facebook page with little live podcasts while on the trip, and keep teasing them with the finished big video series coming out when I get back.
Dewey316
Dewey|Rides
The economics of doing a cellular or high speed internet network in Canada or even the US are far different from the UK.
In Canada especially, I have gotten both cell service and data, and had access to high speed internet in some pretty darn remote places, that you wouldn't expect. It can't be cheap to maintain cell towers and fiber lines, in places like Yukon and NWT, in same sense as in places in WY or NV here in the US. The rest of us all have to pay extra to make the cost of that infrastructure work.
In Canada especially, I have gotten both cell service and data, and had access to high speed internet in some pretty darn remote places, that you wouldn't expect. It can't be cheap to maintain cell towers and fiber lines, in places like Yukon and NWT, in same sense as in places in WY or NV here in the US. The rest of us all have to pay extra to make the cost of that infrastructure work.
Hippo-Drones
Pleb
I guess living in a small country has it's advantages.... I hadn't realised mobile packages were so expensive in the USA/Canada. Saying that, when my phone was new, the contract was around £70 a month for the same package... but included the phone too.
It's not even the country size. More than 90 percent of Canadians live within 150 miles of the US border.
It would be very easy for the american telecom giants to come in and swallow the canadian telecom industry whole. So they've made it a protected industry, loaded up with bureaucracy, and new players aren't allowed. Because of that you have three main providers that collude to set their prices, which they keep high.
It's collusion that keeps canadian mobile prices high. I used to work for one of the big three as a student. They train you how to answer when customers ask about this.
Here's an example of what I mean. I'm sure you guys are all familiar with Virgin Mobile. I'm sure you guys know the owner, Dicky Branson, has more than enough money to set up his own network in Canada, however, he isn't allowed to.
Virgin Mobile exists in Canada, but only because they have to pay high premiums to run on the already existent infrastructures of one of the big 3 canadian telecoms. Dicky literally has to pay his competitors in order to have his own customers. Obviously, the rent is high.
Baldbiker what town are you living in?
It would be very easy for the american telecom giants to come in and swallow the canadian telecom industry whole. So they've made it a protected industry, loaded up with bureaucracy, and new players aren't allowed. Because of that you have three main providers that collude to set their prices, which they keep high.
It's collusion that keeps canadian mobile prices high. I used to work for one of the big three as a student. They train you how to answer when customers ask about this.
Here's an example of what I mean. I'm sure you guys are all familiar with Virgin Mobile. I'm sure you guys know the owner, Dicky Branson, has more than enough money to set up his own network in Canada, however, he isn't allowed to.
Virgin Mobile exists in Canada, but only because they have to pay high premiums to run on the already existent infrastructures of one of the big 3 canadian telecoms. Dicky literally has to pay his competitors in order to have his own customers. Obviously, the rent is high.
Baldbiker what town are you living in?
Rogers (I used to work for them) has 5G coverage in Meaford.
That means those faster speeds you got uploading from your cell phone then you did from your home internet, you can have those speeds for entire home.
Here are Fido's prices: https://www.fido.ca/internet/packages
I have the equivalent of the $75 package and it can upload a 4 gb 4k video fo about 6 minutes in length in about an hour.
This doesn't solve your on-the-road problem, but it will at least get you up to 2022 standards at home with 75mb/s download and 10 mb/s uploads.
This will be a 10x faster upload speed than what you're used to, and a 7.5x faster download speed.
That means those faster speeds you got uploading from your cell phone then you did from your home internet, you can have those speeds for entire home.
Here are Fido's prices: https://www.fido.ca/internet/packages
I have the equivalent of the $75 package and it can upload a 4 gb 4k video fo about 6 minutes in length in about an hour.
This doesn't solve your on-the-road problem, but it will at least get you up to 2022 standards at home with 75mb/s download and 10 mb/s uploads.
This will be a 10x faster upload speed than what you're used to, and a 7.5x faster download speed.
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Baldbiker
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Yes, I suppose cable would be faster with Rogers, but they are just as hard to deal with as Bell, and they have a habit of upping the bill every few months. It's what led to us discontinuing service with them before, plus the connection was spotty at best. You never knew from one night to the next if internet would be on. Mind you that was quite a few years ago and maybe it's become more reliable, but we have to give up everything to go back to them. It's a big step from where I am now.
IT'S NOT CABLE FROM ROGERS! LOL. It's not even cable!
I don't know if I can help you man. I think I've thrown about 3,000 words at you but I'm not sure it's getting through lol
FIDO offers internet, for your home, through a SIM card ( just like what you stick in your cell phone).
You said you're currently getting getting 5 mb/s upload rate, 1 mb/s download rate.
Fido offers internet through a sim card that you put in a device in your home, that gives you home internet at 75 mb/s download rate, and 10 mb/s upload rate, for $75/month.
That's 15x faster download rates, and 10x faster upload rates.
It is not cable internet. It is not DSL internet. It is 5G mobile data from your local cell phone towers.
I personally can not understand the ‘give up everything’ and ‘big step’ parts of @Baldbiker -s last post.. why is changing or getting temporarily an additional internet link for testing such a big deal?
And it is important to note that mobile connections use shared medium (radiowaves) compared to cable connections with dedicated lines (bottlenecks and congestion could still happen at ISP but a lot easier to solve) and therefore the advertised speeds for mobile connections are generally upper limits (guarantee that the connection would not be better than this
).
The shared medium means that the actual speeds and latency would highly depend on the location of you and the towers plus landscape around you, also would depend on time of day and proximity and number of other users/devices in your cell tower area.
So I would say testing is the key with mobile connections. I would suggest you to go to or call your available mobile service operators and let them know of your trouble.
Ask them to provide 4G/5G modem with Wi-Fi to test for few days or week. At least in Estonia we would likely get this for free.
This gives you better feel for if it would be worth the hassle/cost you are suggesting the change would bring.
And it is important to note that mobile connections use shared medium (radiowaves) compared to cable connections with dedicated lines (bottlenecks and congestion could still happen at ISP but a lot easier to solve) and therefore the advertised speeds for mobile connections are generally upper limits (guarantee that the connection would not be better than this
).The shared medium means that the actual speeds and latency would highly depend on the location of you and the towers plus landscape around you, also would depend on time of day and proximity and number of other users/devices in your cell tower area.
So I would say testing is the key with mobile connections. I would suggest you to go to or call your available mobile service operators and let them know of your trouble.
Ask them to provide 4G/5G modem with Wi-Fi to test for few days or week. At least in Estonia we would likely get this for free.
This gives you better feel for if it would be worth the hassle/cost you are suggesting the change would bring.
Great post ^ there are also websites for testing your internet speed, so you could test it from your PC on your home cable internet, and then sit in the same chair and run the same test from the same site on your cell phone, and see what the speed difference is.
I just got 15 mb/s download and 9.8 mb/s upload from my PC on my home wifi
versus 132 mb/s download and 23 mb/s upload from my cell phone on 4G
Damn. I wasn't the phone to be THAT much faster.
I just got 15 mb/s download and 9.8 mb/s upload from my PC on my home wifi
versus 132 mb/s download and 23 mb/s upload from my cell phone on 4G
Damn. I wasn't the phone to be THAT much faster.
Baldbiker
L Plate Member
I've tried all of this. I've contacted multiple companies. Nobody is able to offer better than the 5/1 that I have. The "giving up" is mainly centered around our email address which has been tied to our business for almost 20 years. We lose that if we change providers, and to get basically the same or perhaps even less reliable service is what the "big step" is all about. I basically live in a internet "hole" when it comes to service. I can go online, watch Youtube in 480p and check my email. That's just the way it is in this part of the country. The only other possibility is going with Rogers cable, but we have had a lot of problems with them in the past and they don't have a very good rep when it comes to service either. Waiting on hold for someone at a call center in Delhi that doesn't know their arse from a hole in the ground and ends up being no help whatsoever isn't fun.I personally can not understand the ‘give up everything’ and ‘big step’ parts of @Baldbiker -s last post.. why is changing or getting temporarily an additional internet link for testing such a big deal?
And it is important to note that mobile connections use shared medium (radiowaves) compared to cable connections with dedicated lines (bottlenecks and congestion could still happen at ISP but a lot easier to solve) and therefore the advertised speeds for mobile connections are generally upper limits (guarantee that the connection would not be better than this
The shared medium means that the actual speeds and latency would highly depend on the location of you and the towers plus landscape around you, also would depend on time of day and proximity and number of other users/devices in your cell tower area.
So I would say testing is the key with mobile connections. I would suggest you to go to or call your available mobile service operators and let them know of your trouble.
Ask them to provide 4G/5G modem with Wi-Fi to test for few days or week. At least in Estonia we would likely get this for free.
This gives you better feel for if it would be worth the hassle/cost you are suggesting the change would bring.
Baldbiker
L Plate Member
Sounds like you are getting frustrated. Just let it go man. It's not worth it.
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