Laurie Jennifer to stop vlogging?

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If this keeps heading towards threatening other people with violence and things like that I'm going to lock this topic. Keep this topic to giving support to LJ. Support does not include violence.

This is motovlog, a place to gather friendly motorcycle riders and vloggers. It's not a forum of internet tough guys and we don't need people acting up and giving motovlog a bad name.
 
AlfistiKid said:
Didn't she say on FB that she even got death threats?? That's a big step too far and I think the police etc be involved.
They won't do much, and with it likely being an inter-state issue then you'd have to get the FBI involved. That can get pretty tricky, to the point of uselessness.

Bloodkraze said:
If this keeps heading towards threatening other people with violence and things like that I'm going to lock this topic. Keep this topic to giving support to LJ. Support does not include violence.

This is motovlog, a place to gather friendly motorcycle riders and vloggers. It's not a forum of internet tough guys and we don't need people acting up and giving motovlog a bad name.
Agreed.
 
Agreed. I support the mods. Be very careful about the civility of this public thread. The mods and this website endorse NO illegal activity of any kind.

Personally I support LJ. She's going to have to do whatever's best for her. I hope she doesn't quit. I don't think she's a quitter. I think she's a better person than that.




Sent from mobile device, forgive the janky grammar and spelling.
 
LJ is too awesome to stop, she will take the high road I'm sure - as long as she does what is best then all normal people will support that.
 
this showed up in my comments today... my first troll... yay :D

youtube user [color=#40FF80:3dhrvynl]tic toc[/color] said:
She has 1 video with almost 1000 dislikes and 1 with almost 4000 dislikes. Thats not trolls thats thousands of sensible people worldwide being repulsed by her agressive behaviour. She is a seriously negative influence in a community that cant afford it because of how dangerous motorcycles are. I know a number of bigger vloggers and they all hate her. They are not trolls they are experience responsible riders that see the negativity and harm that comes from her antics. Talk less think more.
 
UnstableBoy said:
this showed up in my comments today... my first troll... yay :D

youtube user [color=#40FF80:316ryk3c]tic toc[/color] said:
She has 1 video with almost 1000 dislikes and 1 with almost 4000 dislikes. Thats not trolls thats thousands of sensible people worldwide being repulsed by her agressive behaviour. She is a seriously negative influence in a community that cant afford it because of how dangerous motorcycles are. I know a number of bigger vloggers and they all hate her. They are not trolls they are experience responsible riders that see the negativity and harm that comes from her antics. Talk less think more.

If you speak their name... They will come.
 
What antics and what dangerous behavior? And what bigger vloggers? I can only think of a few motovloggers with more subs than her and most of them do wheelies, lane split and act like hooligans. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

Also having thousands of dislikes could just be a few asshats posting her video to a bunch of forums. I have a video with over 2000 dislikes because I said the name Harley and didn't follow it with "BEST BIKE EVER!!!" and a bunch of Harley posers posted it on every Harley forum they could find. Of course those knobs are going to hit the dislike button.
 
kryten said:
What antics and what dangerous behavior? And what bigger vloggers? I can only think of a few motovloggers with more subs than her and most of them do wheelies, lane split and act like hooligans. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

Also having thousands of dislikes could just be a few asshats posting her video to a bunch of forums. I have a video with over 2000 dislikes because I said the name Harley and didn't follow it with "BEST BIKE EVER!!!" and a bunch of Harley posers posted it on every Harley forum they could find. Of course those knobs are going to hit the dislike button.

I ridea Harley and lots of Harley riders to stop acting childish and doing this shit.
 
kryten said:
What antics and what dangerous behavior? And what bigger vloggers? I can only think of a few motovloggers with more subs than her and most of them do wheelies, lane split and act like hooligans. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

Also having thousands of dislikes could just be a few asshats posting her video to a bunch of forums. I have a video with over 2000 dislikes because I said the name Harley and didn't follow it with "BEST BIKE EVER!!!" and a bunch of Harley posers posted it on every Harley forum they could find. Of course those knobs are going to hit the dislike button.

I just asked what did she do to warrant death threats... doubt I will get an answer or I will get some other BS post avoiding the subject.. but hey.. I am a real youtube'r now.. I have a troll.. :) I hope I don't have to build a bridge for him to live under :twisted:
 
Wow ok I just found and subbed her. First off I like her. Now second I set out to find this video with "nearly 4 thousand dislikes". Aaaand I found it. And tic toc is the jealous type. With over one and a half MILLION views 3800 dislikes is pissing in the wind. Another way to look at it is winning 1.5 million and dropping 3800 bucks and not see it again. It's nothing in the scheme of things. As for the video itself wtf? There's nothing wrong with it. I've seen alot of these negative comments and yeah, all I have to say about that is there is no better way to show how much of a man you are like beating down on a girl on the Internet. NOT! In Australia we deal with these type of situations by dragging these people behind road trains carrying cattle.
 
youtube user [color=#40FF80:1oog37hn]tic toc[/color] said:
She has 1 video with almost 1000 dislikes and 1 with almost 4000 dislikes. Thats not trolls thats thousands of sensible people worldwide being repulsed by her agressive behaviour. She is a seriously negative influence in a community that cant afford it because of how dangerous motorcycles are. I know a number of bigger vloggers and they all hate her. They are not trolls they are experience responsible riders that see the negativity and harm that comes from her antics. Talk less think more.

These are the videos he's referring to:

sub 1000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waBkxg6QcHE
sub 4000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESFdom146js

Her trolls love to bring them up... Both can be seen as mildly aggressive but they are more mild than my daily commute. In the sub 1000 she decides to follow a truck which changed lanes at the last second barely avoiding hitting her and in the sub 4000 she revs her engine at a car that had blocked her as cars would fly up behind her and be forced to change lanes at the last second. Each time a car would almost hit her the occupants in the car would burst out into laughter. My memory is better than I thought it was...
 
This is long. Thanks ahead for reading this. No, I won't be doing a video on it at this time. Just moving on. You'll see why.

I've spent a LOT of time thinking about this, both before and since posting that Facebook update.

First of all, thank you all so much for your kind words and support. The awesomeness that is the motovlog community is a huge reason (well, the MAIN reason, actually) why I'm torn about "quitting." The friendships and connectedness and inside jokes and camaraderie and all that. This community is amazing. I love the support I get from others, and all the things you've taught me. I love watching new riders and new vloggers join and grow. I love being able to "pay it forward." i've been inspired, I've been taught, I've laughed and cried and drank beer with many of you. I wish there were meetups every weekend! :) I still hope to make it to both coasts, and to England, Europe, etc., etc. *grouphug!*

Second of all, this isn't about letting the trolls "get to me." It's more about the fact that negative comments and messages are frequent enough to be a serious nuisance. And, yes, I turned off messaging and email alerts for comments more than 2 years ago. The haters still find a way to try to get a hold of you. It's like a bunch of stubborn mosquitoes who still find a way into the room. I'm just getting tired of trying to ignore them and constantly blocking them.

And some "trolls" take it too far. I've had 2 or 3 that have done that. They cross the line into obsessive, sociopath creeper. One was reported and it was discovered he has a very recent history of sexual violence. And, yes, I've had messages sent to me that threaten physical and sexual harm. Yes, police have been contacted and all records have been kept. This is a whole aspect of "motovlogging" that the guys aren't going to face and aren't going to understand how it feels, not really. It was enough to change my mind about not owning a firearm, let's put it that way.

Many of the trolls fall somewhere in between: they clearly have obsessive, sociopathic tendencies and some even have criminal records, but they're "mostly harmless." That doesn't mean the things they say don't qualify as harassment.


This is what it's like to be a woman in the 21st century. And that brings me to my final point: rampant misogyny. That's a common theme, regardless of the "level" of the troll. I did not grow up with this. I grew up in a culture that did not tolerate sexism or violence towards women. I first noticed it when I moved to Kansas City. I *certainly* noticed it working in the motorcycle industry here. "Isn't there a man around I can talk to?" Or, "Well, you can't really help me... Unless you want to make me something to eat." And they're being serious. "Do you even know anything about motorcycles?" I know i don't do a lot of gearhead talking in my videos, but I do know motorcycles. I don't care if people assume my ignorance. I haven't done a "how to" for basic riding, though I get asked a lot. I don't talk much about basic maintenance or how to install anything. I don't, because it would just sound like when Kaylee rants on during her interrogation in the Firefly episode "Bushwhacked" (I'm hoping there are other Firefly fans here??) I rant on and on and use a bunch of words that many of my subscribers will have no idea what I just said.

Okay, now I forgot what I was saying. I just had an epic Google rabbit trail regarding Firefly...

Right! Misogyny! Online, it's worse. The anonymity, combined with a sort of mob mentality, combined with that fact that everyone (even people who should probably keep their thoughts to themselves) has access to the internet... These things are like a perfect storm for a very unfriendly environment for women online. Online gaming, social media, etc., etc. They've all seen this problem and many voices have bravely spoken up about this. It's just not okay. By sheer numbers, it will be very hard to change, though.

And that leads me to my final conclusion, a version of which I posted on my personal Facebook page:

"Working in a male-dominated industry for the past four years or so, and living in a part of the country that is still shockingly sexist (it shocked me when I moved here, anyway), and dealing with all the arrows that come your way if you dare be a woman on the internet (my motovlogging on YouTube)... It's all making me feel slightly overwhelmed at times. The sense of oppression, inferiority, and powerlessness is something I never before experienced. I grew up in a culture where I was part of the majority (in race, religion, and economy), and diversity was celebrated. The feeling of not being taken seriously and not being valued can be maddening, if you let it get to you. What is this, 1950?

"I've been contemplating stepping down from motovlogging-something I love doing-because it has gotten so bad. But, then I realized I'd still face it in the motorcycle industry, and I certainly don't want to quit that either. I'd like to make a career out of it, actually. So, what do I do? If I quit my hobby, do I take a stand in my career? Do I move to a more progressive country? Give up riding? Do I completely change my life to silence the misogynists? It really won't stop until I'm "back in the kitchen," where I'm so often told I belong. And it won't stop there either. As much as I hate it, the fight will be there, whether I attempt to avoid it or not. I would not choose this, but there is no choice. In the immortal words of Mark: "Damn The Man! Save The Empire!" I guess I'll stand here."


In other words, it's not going away. If I don't face it on the internet, I'll face it at my job. If not at my job, then somewhere else. There will always be "haters." There will always be ignorance. There will always be miserable people who are both.

For now, I won't leave. I would miss too much.

This is what I would ask of each of you: 1) Please don't respond with hatred or violence or revealing personal details (which is against YT policy) to any trolls. 2 and 3) If you see something particularly alarming, report it. Good guys stop bad guys by speaking up. I need your help to help me "watch out." And not just me, but other women online. If you see someone say something sexist, say something. That's how the culture changes. (Close friends in jest is one thing, but you can't claim "I was only joking" across anonymity. That's not how healthy social boundaries work.)


If you read all this, thank you.

I do have a list of the ones to watch out for, and "Tic Toc" (and his other channel "infralaw") is definitely one of them. Just ignore him. That's what I do. He *really* wants attention. He even went so far as to steal one of my videos. That's the last I'll mention it. Another one opens almost too many sock accounts to keep track of (though I do have a comprehensive list, many of the channels now closed on their own). Again, my solution is the same: screenshot, block, ignore.

Don't engage the hate with hate. If our solution is to stop the hate, that isn't a solution. lol
 
lauriejennifer said:
This is long. Thanks ahead for reading this. No, I won't be doing a video on it at this time. Just moving on. You'll see why.

I've spent a LOT of time thinking about this, both before and since posting that Facebook update.

First of all, thank you all so much for your kind words and support. The awesomeness that is the motovlog community is a huge reason (well, the MAIN reason, actually) why I'm torn about "quitting." The friendships and connectedness and inside jokes and camaraderie and all that. This community is amazing. I love the support I get from others, and all the things you've taught me. I love watching new riders and new vloggers join and grow. I love being able to "pay it forward." i've been inspired, I've been taught, I've laughed and cried and drank beer with many of you. I wish there were meetups every weekend! :) I still hope to make it to both coasts, and to England, Europe, etc., etc. *grouphug!*

Second of all, this isn't about letting the trolls "get to me." It's more about the fact that negative comments and messages are frequent enough to be a serious nuisance. And, yes, I turned off messaging and email alerts for comments more than 2 years ago. The haters still find a way to try to get a hold of you. It's like a bunch of stubborn mosquitoes who still find a way into the room. I'm just getting tired of trying to ignore them and constantly blocking them.

And some "trolls" take it too far. I've had 2 or 3 that have done that. They cross the line into obsessive, sociopath creeper. One was reported and it was discovered he has a very recent history of sexual violence. And, yes, I've had messages sent to me that threaten physical and sexual harm. Yes, police have been contacted and all records have been kept. This is a whole aspect of "motovlogging" that the guys aren't going to face and aren't going to understand how it feels, not really. It was enough to change my mind about not owning a firearm, let's put it that way.

Many of the trolls fall somewhere in between: they clearly have obsessive, sociopathic tendencies and some even have criminal records, but they're "mostly harmless." That doesn't mean the things they say don't qualify as harassment.


This is what it's like to be a woman in the 21st century. And that brings me to my final point: rampant misogyny. That's a common theme, regardless of the "level" of the troll. I did not grow up with this. I grew up in a culture that did not tolerate sexism or violence towards women. I first noticed it when I moved to Kansas City. I *certainly* noticed it working in the motorcycle industry here. "Isn't there a man around I can talk to?" Or, "Well, you can't really help me... Unless you want to make me something to eat." And they're being serious. "Do you even know anything about motorcycles?" I know i don't do a lot of gearhead talking in my videos, but I do know motorcycles. I don't care if people assume my ignorance. I haven't done a "how to" for basic riding, though I get asked a lot. I don't talk much about basic maintenance or how to install anything. I don't, because it would just sound like when Kaylee rants on during her interrogation in the Firefly episode "Bushwhacked" (I'm hoping there are other Firefly fans here??) I rant on and on and use a bunch of words that many of my subscribers will have no idea what I just said.

Okay, now I forgot what I was saying. I just had an epic Google rabbit trail regarding Firefly...

Right! Misogyny! Online, it's worse. The anonymity, combined with a sort of mob mentality, combined with that fact that everyone (even people who should probably keep their thoughts to themselves) has access to the internet... These things are like a perfect storm for a very unfriendly environment for women online. Online gaming, social media, etc., etc. They've all seen this problem and many voices have bravely spoken up about this. It's just not okay. By sheer numbers, it will be very hard to change, though.

And that leads me to my final conclusion, a version of which I posted on my personal Facebook page:

"Working in a male-dominated industry for the past four years or so, and living in a part of the country that is still shockingly sexist (it shocked me when I moved here, anyway), and dealing with all the arrows that come your way if you dare be a woman on the internet (my motovlogging on YouTube)... It's all making me feel slightly overwhelmed at times. The sense of oppression, inferiority, and powerlessness is something I never before experienced. I grew up in a culture where I was part of the majority (in race, religion, and economy), and diversity was celebrated. The feeling of not being taken seriously and not being valued can be maddening, if you let it get to you. What is this, 1950?

"I've been contemplating stepping down from motovlogging-something I love doing-because it has gotten so bad. But, then I realized I'd still face it in the motorcycle industry, and I certainly don't want to quit that either. I'd like to make a career out of it, actually. So, what do I do? If I quit my hobby, do I take a stand in my career? Do I move to a more progressive country? Give up riding? Do I completely change my life to silence the misogynists? It really won't stop until I'm "back in the kitchen," where I'm so often told I belong. And it won't stop there either. As much as I hate it, the fight will be there, whether I attempt to avoid it or not. I would not choose this, but there is no choice. In the immortal words of Mark: "Damn The Man! Save The Empire!" I guess I'll stand here."


In other words, it's not going away. If I don't face it on the internet, I'll face it at my job. If not at my job, then somewhere else. There will always be "haters." There will always be ignorance. There will always be miserable people who are both.

For now, I won't leave. I would miss too much.

This is what I would ask of each of you: 1) Please don't respond with hatred or violence or revealing personal details (which is against YT policy) to any trolls. 2 and 3) If you see something particularly alarming, report it. Good guys stop bad guys by speaking up. I need your help to help me "watch out." And not just me, but other women online. If you see someone say something sexist, say something. That's how the culture changes. (Close friends in jest is one thing, but you can't claim "I was only joking" across anonymity. That's not how healthy social boundaries work.)


If you read all this, thank you.

I do have a list of the ones to watch out for, and "Tic Toc" (and his other channel "infralaw") is definitely one of them. Just ignore him. That's what I do. He *really* wants attention. He even went so far as to steal one of my videos. That's the last I'll mention it. Another one opens almost too many sock accounts to keep track of (though I do have a comprehensive list, many of the channels now closed on their own). Again, my solution is the same: screenshot, block, ignore.

Don't engage the hate with hate. If our solution is to stop the hate, that isn't a solution. lol

Thank you Laurie :) This was deep and meaningful, it bothers me also that women are given so much hell on the internet. I could go on forever but i think i will leave it at that. Thanks again :)
 
Im overjoyed to hear youre not quiting! I swear, that FB post ruined my morning. You can ask my co-workers, I was goin to town! "Dear God and baby infant Jesus, never again will I skip over one of her vids! Never more will I return to the homepage without liking! Never again so help me Lord will I take her entertainment, puns, and awesome Firefly references for granted! Please change her mind!"
(It helps to read that like a southern preacher lol)

I know.....but seriously, I hate that people can't pull the sticks out of their collective butts. I wish you the very best and hope you keep going strong for years to come!
 
I'm glad to hear you're not leaving and I'm making you one of three motovloggers who're on my "email me for new uploads" list. I removed the comment I made on your vid showing the guys home town. Sry about that, I tend to go overboard sometimes. Won't happen again.
 
lauriejennifer said:
I do have a list of the ones to watch out for, and "Tic Toc" (and his other channel "infralaw") is definitely one of them.

aww man.. I though he was my troll... but he is just visiting from your channel... oh well.. I guess someday I will be popular enough to have my own haters... lol :lol:

seriously. glad you have decided to stick around. love your videos.. maybe someday I can get out to KC to join you dodge and krayziesensei for a supermoto sunday... a v-strom is kinda like a supermoto... isn't it?
 
Much love LJ - make a cooking video on your bike, that'll confuse the trolls :D

Seriously though you must put up with a lot of crap, but many of us support you and want to make this place better, keep up the awesome work.
 
JollyRoger said:
Much love LJ - make a cooking video on your bike, that'll confuse the trolls :D

That's an epic idea.. Like stop into a 7-11 and nuke a burrito then go find some homeless dude living under a bridge and give him the burrito.. Vlog Title: Feeding the Trolls(then the trolls would troll you about homeless people not being true trolls[unless you're talking about the ones who act all nice and beg for change then instantly turn psycho as soon as they figure out you're tapped out])
 
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