I'd like to hear your thoughts on this crash

[TrailChaser]

http://www.break.com/pranks/scooter-gir ... nt-2403503

Looks to me like the woman on the scooter was driving under the speed limit and holding up at least three people, & scared of the wall on one side and the guard rail on the other...

My thoughts: This is an example of why people who are not COMFORTABLE with their riding skills should stay off roads. I see lots of people in my area(during the summer and mostly on weekends) who obviously have no business on the public roads with their toy. I hear people all the time saying they've been riding for x amount of years, but come to find out they have only about as much time in the seat from years of riding as a real biker gets from about a week of riding.

 

[Stenno]

It's hard to tell what speed she's going at watching it on my mobile but just because she's holding people up it doesn't give them the right to make a dangerous overtaking manoeuvre.

The guy with the wide load on his bike is an impatient idiot who failed to stop at the scene of an accident it seems. But this seems to be the norm abroad.

If people don't want to be held up they choose take another route.

I hope she was ok.



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[withabitofginger]

There's not enough video there for me to have an exact opinion, but the guy with the wide load caused it, the load clipped her. She may have been doing the speed limit, the three behind may have been exceeding that. No need to cause the accident that happened here.

Personally I think I'd have caught up with the other guy and ripped him a new arsehole if I was the person filming

 

[Trinith]

They're all stupid. Her helmet wasn't fastened properly, if at all. No one stopped to render aid... All the videos of asian roads have convinced me of one thing: Screw that shit. I'll be staying here.

 

[withabitofginger]

All the videos of asian roads have convinced me of one thing: Screw that shit. I'll be staying here.

Same here

 

[samy8]

Oh really!

 

[BikerSpeedTriple]

Firstly, it's not clear if where they are riding is meant to be used by them. There's clearly a road to the left, so it could be a footpath they are using. If so, that's -1 to all those riders.

As Trinith says, she may as well not have been wearing a helmet as it popped straight off. -1 to her, though just because she's stupid and has no sense to protect herself doesn't mean she is in any way responsible for coming off. She is, however, partially responsible for the seriousness of any head injury she received.

If that was a valid place to be riding and she was going slower than the speed limit, that's not a problem. A speed limit represents a maximum allowed speed. If you suggest that all road users should be going at the speed limit, then we need to get cyclists off the roads pronto. And those of you riding low power bikes need to vacate national speed limit roads if you can't be doing 60. Obviously, that's nonsense.

If you are going faster than someone else and want to be in front, then you wait patiently behind until there is a safe place to overtake. The guy with the load clearly was impatient and had no regard for safety. He was obviously completely to blame for the incident. -1000 to him.

Nobody stopped to help. The person with the camera may have. They may also have ridden passed and the video stops there to hide their shame at not stopping. We don't know. Certainly the one causing the accident and the one in front of the camera had no interest in her wellbeing. -1000000 to them.

Overall, the video showed an example of a clear disregard for the value of a human life.

 

[Nerb]

Theres no value on human life in many countries. Its only we with national health care that worry about others.

 

[dexterbiker]

It is hard to tell, they only thing really is the guy who knocked her off was trying to 'squeeze' through, would never say that was her fault for moving over as he shouldnt 'assume' that she will or has moved over enough to allow him to pass.

As far as she is concerned no sympathy really if she got hurt, no protective gear and a helmet that wasnt one correctly if at all. I always like to know that when i go out i have made myself as safe as i can so if i was unlucky enough to be involved in an accident i can look back and know i did what i can to protect myself

 

[TrailChaser]

Firstly, it's not clear if where they are riding is meant to be used by them. There's clearly a road to the left, so it could be a footpath they are using. If so, that's -1 to all those riders.

As Trinith says, she may as well not have been wearing a helmet as it popped straight off. -1 to her, though just because she's stupid and has no sense to protect herself doesn't mean she is in any way responsible for coming off. She is, however, partially responsible for the seriousness of any head injury she received.

If that was a valid place to be riding and she was going slower than the speed limit, that's not a problem. A speed limit represents a maximum allowed speed. If you suggest that all road users should be going at the speed limit, then we need to get cyclists off the roads pronto. And those of you riding low power bikes need to vacate national speed limit roads if you can't be doing 60. Obviously, that's nonsense.

If you are going faster than someone else and want to be in front, then you wait patiently behind until there is a safe place to overtake. The guy with the load clearly was impatient and had no regard for safety. He was obviously completely to blame for the incident. -1000 to him.

Nobody stopped to help. The person with the camera may have. They may also have ridden passed and the video stops there to hide their shame at not stopping. We don't know. Certainly the one causing the accident and the one in front of the camera had no interest in her wellbeing. -1000000 to them.

Overall, the video showed an example of a clear disregard for the value of a human life.

I watch M13's vids and from what I've seen on those videos the "road" they are on is a two lane path for two wheeled vehicles. The guy SHE CLIPPED by not getting in one lane or the other did stop. He stopped about 30-40 meters down the road to the far righthand side of the lane.
Driving the speed limit goes right along with my original post. If you can't comfortably drive the speed limit due to lack of driving/riding skill or lack of mechanical ability of the machine you're operating; then you are putting yourself and other road users at risk, and have no business on said road. I for instance ride a Honda CRF230L and it's top speed is about 65mph. You will not catch me on a freeway where the speed limit is 70mph... because I don't feel like being ran over, or being an obstacle people HAVE to pass. In the US cyclist can not use freeways, ever.

As for a disregard for human life.? It's not like she was in a life threatening situation that warranted everyone in the area to drop what they are doing to help her pick up the bike. I have worse wrecks than that out on the trails pretty frequently when pushing the limits, and I don't expect everyone around me to run and help. I'm sure everyone in the video has people they love and people who love them. If she valued her own personal safety she would have gotten a ride from someone who knows how to ride or can drive her in a car.

 

[crackthepipe999]

In the 1 second of video you see before te crash she seems to be matching the speed of the cars to the left so looks like the person who clipped her was just a tw@t

 

[AlbertoMESELL]

Hi there,

Here is my opinion: The crash was caused by the guy doing the inappropriate overtake. At least under my country's traffic legislation, which I believe on this subject is an international standard:

The (if so) low speed of the girl does NOT give the right to any following vehicle to overtake another inside the same lane....he should have waited to a one way road/freeway/highway with double lane, or a two way road with permission to overtake (intermittent painted lines)

I am a lawyer, with 19 years of experience on insurance, traffic and crash claims.

Best regards from SPAIN

 

[BikerSpeedTriple]

I watch M13's vids and from what I've seen on those videos the "road" they are on is a two lane path for two wheeled vehicles.

Only 1 lane is visible. There doesn't seem to be anything in the video to suggest she should have been hugging one side or the other.

The guy SHE CLIPPED

The wide load rider hit her mirror.

He stopped about 30-40 meters down the road to the far righthand side of the lane.

You're right. I missed that.

If you can't comfortably drive the speed limit due to lack of driving/riding skill or lack of mechanical ability of the machine you're operating; then you are putting yourself and other road users at risk, and have no business on said road.

Unless there is a legal minimum speed (such as the 40mph minimum speed on UK motorways) there is no reason why people unable to meet the maximum speed should not be using a road. It's not the slow road user putting others at risk, it's the impatient people who perform unsafe manoeuvres to get around them that put people at risk. There are no end of slow types of vehicles that would be excluded from the road if they had to be capable of the speed limit. In the UK, if you want to ride a bike at 16, you are restricted to 50cc and 31mph. Many local roads are 40mph limits. If you had to be able to reach the speed limit, these people would hardly be able to go anywhere.

There's also nothing in the video to indicate how fast anyone was going or what the speed limit was. It's quite possible she was actually going at the limit.

 

[TrailChaser]

Only 1 lane is visible. There doesn't seem to be anything in the video to suggest she should have been hugging one side or the other.

If we were talking about 4 wheeled vehicles I'd agree, but when talking about motorcycles 1 car lane contains 3 motorcycle lanes, of which two bikes can share the same lane at the same time.(one bike in lane 1, one bike in lane 3) Just like the two people who were behind her being held up by her slow driving were doing. One of which was carrying the wide load riding comfortably beside the guy in lane 3.

There's also nothing in the video to indicate how fast anyone was going or what the speed limit was. It's quite possible she was actually going at the limit.

Everyone was behind her and no one was in front of her. It is in fact quite possible that she was indeed driving the speed limit, but the safe speed is the average pace of traffic. If you are making average traffic flow pass you, you are a road hazard. Especially when driving a two wheeled vehicle.

Anyway, I hope she is okay and learned to NEVER ride again.