Youtube 1080p major loss of quality...

[Cagerontwowheels]

So, here are two pics of the same-ish fram.
You can see the degradation from youtube, which makes me not a happy camper.
I'm encoding @ 1080p, 30fps, 50'000 kbps
Progressive scan (no interlacing)
High Profile
2 consecutive B frames
Container: .mp4

Ideas?

 

[mateisons]

So, here are two pics of the same-ish fram.
You can see the degradation from youtube, which makes me not a happy camper.
I'm encoding @ 1080p, 30fps, 50'000 kbps
Progressive scan (no interlacing)
High Profile
2 consecutive B frames
Container: .mp4

Ideas?

Same for me. Can't really do much...

 

[Cagerontwowheels]

Its driving me nuts. All the work I put into the vids, then they look like they were encoded by potato.....

 

[Nerb]

try it in H.264?
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/a ... &ctx=topic

It does look like quite a difference. But, until they invent the internet here, I wont bother uploading in 1080

 

[Cagerontwowheels]

Any idea what Vegas profile to use for h.264? I'm using MainConcept AVC/AAC or Sony AVC/MVC I though those WERE h.264

 

[ariderslife]

I never use .mp4 its crap for youtube

H.264 will keep that quality up

 

[thunderous71]

I always upload / encode at the same quality.

What I have discovered is if you upload at peak times or upload overly excessive file sizes youtube seems to over compensate on the re-encoding to speed things up.

Try a bitrate of about 24 (old youtube docs used to say 12).

 

[r2ro]

I never use .mp4 its crap for youtube

H.264 will keep that quality up

Hmm. What container do you use? .mp4 is 'container', h.264 is the codec. You can have an h.264 encoded .mp4 video file. In fact, this is the default output format from a GoPro Hero3. Beautiful video.

 

[thunderous71]

Also forgot to say if you start watching a video on youtube at low quality (480 is the default i think) then switch to 1080 it doesnt always switch. Sometimes it will stick at 480 if it was already buffered. So do try changing to 1080 go full screen and rewind to start.

Just to eliminate its a re-encoding problem not a playback.

 

[DSN]

H.264 doesnt get gutted as hard by youtube. But it still kicks it right in the nuts.

Go moan at youtube I guess ? Im right there with you.

As far as im aware. Cant find any proof of this. But I heard Youtube @ 1080p only allow 8mbps so uploading higher than that is pointless because youetube will just reencode it @ 8

 

[zmotoguy]

What version of Vegas are you using? If it's anything other then Pro I don't think it will let you encode with h.264. I was using the same setting as you, it looked good on the computer but YouTube butchered it. I started using Adobe Premiere which has the h.264 and there is very minor quality loss when uploaded.
Video with Vegas Platinum 11: http://y2u.be/MFQKs8teX38
Video with Premiere Pro: http://y2u.be/9wepEJUXsJE

 

[Cagerontwowheels]

I'm using vegas pro 12. Of course I paid for it, and didnt go on say.... piratebay to get it.
And it IS encoding in h.264

The best I could find was to upload in 2.7k - in that case the youtube loss of qual is very minor. But the vegas preview gets really choppy (like 4fps) so I cant really edit it correctly.
Tried (installed and really tried) premier, but just didnt get along. Just splitting a vid in two was an insurmountable obstacle!

 

[Shirou]

Tried (installed and really tried) premier, but just didnt get along. Just splitting a vid in two was an insurmountable obstacle!

Just use the razor tool and click on the timeline where you want to split it. Can't be easier!



Of course I didn't learn that by myself, got some help from the book "Premiere classroom in a book".

 

[janx101]

reading .. reading .. :| ... thinking ... reading....

righto ... i can only grasp at the edges of the concept right now.... feels like the pic!! ..

but good info to learn new tricks!!


good job guys!

 

[Cagerontwowheels]

Ill give premier another try.
I'll encode a certain video which I know youtube will murder (riding through forest, too many moving objects, so a low bitrate just MURDERS everything with minecraft-esque blocks), and enconde in Vegas and Premier and upload the original to my torrentbox.

 

[ZenRiding]

I'm using Premiere and there's still a very big decrease in quality! it's just how Youtube is I guess... I've tried a bunch of different settings and the end result is allways not quite perfect

 

[Shirou]

I'm using Premiere and there's still a very big decrease in quality! it's just how Youtube is I guess... I've tried a bunch of different settings and the end result is allways not quite perfect

Try uploading to Vimeo and do a comparison. Vimeo always had more quality than youtube. Not the same userbase though.

 

[Cagerontwowheels]

What I've done was to upload a raw video (actually, I re-encoded it to 1080p*50000bps (was 2.7k), and mixed in the gopro1 secondary camera), and uploaded THAT. Then I went and uploaded the same file to my seedbox, and shared the link to the torrent.
For those that do not know, a seedbox is a rented dedicated server with running a torrent program, so you can use torrents and not use your own computer... for you know.... using only 100% legitimate torrents.
You can check out the diff in my channel, video is [RAW] Ride around arrabida (or something like that), and in the description is the link to the torrent (which you can download at up to 50 mbps - max out your conneciton much?).
Even with bad lighting (overcast sky) the difference is VERY noticeable.

 

[phildobaggins]

I did not know this about youtube/H264. I've been uploading in MP4 720p for my Sony Action Cam which looks really good raw. I'll try this out tonight. Thanks for the info.

 

[DeltaLima]

There must be a way to do it. I've experienced the same quality loss - but there's some videos on YouTube that still look amazing. If someone has the magic ingredient.. do let us all know!