dandoolittle
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Idiots
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Yea. Guns Shouldn't Be Made Illegal Lol
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Idiots
Just proves that cameras can get you out of a lot of shit
AmpdMoto
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Gun laws would not change that situation. People who are going to do stupid stuff with them or criminals do not care about laws. They will still have their guns and the law abiding responsible people will be the ones who don't when they need to protect themselves.
F4celess
Cold
The criminals are protecting themselves from people protecting themselves.
Its not hard to get a lethal weapon, the will to use it is rooted in the people and the ideals they have collectively, so yes, gun laws won't change much immediately, but its a step in the right direction. And a law marks a shift in ideals if anything.
Not making such a change is a very clear indication that the politicians in the US loves having a rampant gun and violence culture.
CBRHoonigan
#1 Hoonigan
HOLY fuck, he pulled a gun imagine if the biker had a gun and took it upon himself to feel the need to defend himself with force.
ChunksLife
Chunk
if sum one pulled a gun on me like that id poop my self.
jthomas
jthomas1310
So true. We have strict gun laws here and they make it so hard for us to get and keep our "legal and registered" guns. Yet we still have shootings, of course done by criminals with illegally obtained guns. Even if they do a total ban. Criminals will still have and be able to obtain guns. When they did the gun grab here there was a rise in gun crime and break and enters as criminals didnt get their guns taken from them and knew homes would be undefended. Instead alot of handed in firearms made it onto the black market and made it tougher for law abiding citizens to have a gun.
Reize
2 Wheeled Islander
Strict gun laws don't work in countries where the law isn't omnipresent and cannot secure every nook and cranny. It works in small countries like mine, Singapore, where the size and the fact it's surrounded by ocean makes the trade in illegal firearms nigh on impossible. It could also work in a pretty tough police state, but it's impossible to have these kinds of governments these days.
So basically gun laws while a good thing, is practically unenforceable in 90% of the countries in the world where the governments can barely police a fraction of their population. What needs to change is culture. It's better to enact programs to shame and vilify the ownership/possession/use of firearms in the long run. Also, tying arms manufacturers so that they can only sell to the military and/or law enforcement would really help to reduce the number of weapons in circulation as current ones in the public market degrade and are written off over years of use.
BbqRider
Wannabie Member
Unfortunately trying to vilify guns and people who use them, for recreational or protection purposes, again doesn't make any difference to criminals. I think we can all agree that modern, civilised countries are culturally very strongly opposed to robbery, violence, rape and murder. Yet this doesn't stop criminals at all. Just like gun laws that don't apply to criminals and mostly only disarm innocent civilians, trying to make guns "immoral" will just have the same effect.
Clint Love
It doesn't say CUNT, dammit!
That and we have a well-armed professional criminal class that doesn't exist in other places. South Africa might be close, from what I've heard in conversations, but I don't know that to be sure. I do know that S.A. has violent gangs that are similar to those in the States. They don't get their guns through legal channels and would not be affected much by a gun ban. They steal them, extort people into acquiring guns for them (including law enforcement), or even import them from outside the U.S. and illegally ship them here.
BbqRider
Wannabie Member
Gangs mostly keep to themselves. Common criminals are just as heavily armed though. Apparently you can rent an AK47 for about $50 over here
Clint Love
It doesn't say CUNT, dammit!
Close to 90% of the 11,000 or so gun homicides here in the states are gun fights between gang members, or other felons. Usually, both the perpetrator and the victim have active felony rap sheets (this was reported by the FBI). That's the thing people don't get about the U.S. Our common criminals ARE gang members. Gangs here also use home invasions, car jackings and armed robberies as a form of income. Many of those end up being crimes against ordinary citizens. That's why American citizens are so insistent about being armed. How likely a citizen is to being a victim has a lot to do with where they live. If you live in Downtown Dallas or Chicago, you have a significantly better chance of being the victim of a crime than if you live out in the suburbs, 25 miles from the city. no place is immune, though.
Just as an example, the largest drop in the homicide rate in California occurred in the 1990s when the Crips and the Bloods signed a truce.
Clint Love
It doesn't say CUNT, dammit!
You should let the Crips, Bloods, Vice Lords and Latin Kings know that. They apparently didn't get the memo. And I'm too chicken to tell them.
F4celess
Cold
I admit, I live in one of the safest areas in the world, so its easy for me to assume things and solve imaginary problems. But by the sound of it, those gangs are organized and thus go by my "they could make their own firearms if they had to" bit. Also they shoot each other a lot as you mentioned, which means they have a reason to bear arms regardless of how petty their usual crime is.
Clint Love
It doesn't say CUNT, dammit!
Most of their business is in drugs so there is a lot of cash to buy illegal weapons. You do have people out there that build and illegally sell firearms, too. You can buy unfinished lower receivers to AR-15s and a guy with a machine shop can make it into a functioning part rather easily.
I just noticed you were from Norway. Yeah, you guys have the lowest homicide rate in the civilized world! I visit the Cayman Islands a lot and there is absolutely no need for a gun there, either. You hear of a stabbing every couple of years, but they are not very violent over there.
One thing I often propose as a solution to the violence in the States is ending the war on drugs and focusing on treatment, rather than incarceration for non-violent drug offenders. The illegal drug market is what drives all of the gang violence, just like it did with alcohol in the 1920s. Ending the drug war would put a lot of gangsters out of a job, so they would have no reason to fight over turf in the first place.
Of course, there will be criminals no matter what, but the situation would be a little closer to what Europe has vs. what we have now.
BbqRider
Wannabie Member
Because it's not a risk or a burden? You can go out and rent a gun for a few bucks. And besides, the police have guns and therefore criminals will always have guns, even if they don't need them to rob unarmed citizens. You also have to remember, in Africa criminals more often than not WANT to kill you, they aren't just there for your possessions
