Anyone seen... www.motovlogS.com?

[dmurphy]

They're not vloggers, this is the first thing they have done in the community, the site is just about pointless and they're in it for the money "With a joint combination of 8 successful businesses under their belt, Dominic and Tiago know a thing or two about business - If you'd like to work with us, have an idea or would just like some simple advice, shoot us an email to biz@motovlogs.com. We're not currently selling advertising space, but if you feel as though your offer is hard to refuse, contact us at advertising@motovlogs.com."

Motovlogging is not a business, it is a hobby, and these guys seem to think there's an opportunity to make money off our videos, doubt i'll be letting them host any of my videos there.

Hello,

I'm Dominic and I co-founded the site. I've created an account just to reply to this as you probably gathered. First of all, let me first point out something of significance in the original quote you ripped from our site - "We're currently not selling advertising space". It's not something we're planning on doing either. Myself and Tiago are simply trying to build a bridge in the Motovlogging community. Other than stumbling across tagged videos and responding to shoutouts, how are people meant to discover new vloggers? We hand pick videos we like and videos that are submitted to us to promote vloggers free of charge.

Secondly, motovlogging is indeed a hobby but so is singing for example - does that mean shows like the xFactor shouldn't exist because it's an 'opportunity to make money'? What about music promotion channels? They're doing the exact same - promoting other peoples' content. We're not in it for the money - the vlogger gets paid, not us - if/when you manage to get a YouTube partnership, you'll actually get money from YouTube every 1000 views or so. We don't benefit from this at all. The iframes we've embedded in to the site work just the same as YouTube's on page GUI.

You are of course entitled to your opinion and, if you like, I'll make sure that none of your videos are posted to the site. Thanks for your feedback.

Regards

Dominic

I do hate these quote discussions but hey. Do let me just point out that i'm not against the idea, it's a good thing to have this site, but there are several key issues with what you just said.

1) I already monetise my videos
2) If you're so against advertising, why even have the "but if you're going to offer us loads" bit?
3) Why tell us how successful you two are at business if you're not intending on turning it into one?

I just don't see why you guys get to handpick all these videos, surely if the point is to show people loads of vloggers to follow you need to show as many videos as possible, not just one's that meet all you guys criteria? Vloggers have different styles, most of us don't even care how popular our channel is.

I'm afraid at the moment i feel that this site just misses the mark, which is why i asked you whether you were vloggers or not, how long have you even been following motovlogs? Do you comment on videos?

I'm sorry for all the questions, and how negative this seems, but at the moment i'm really concerned that you two are in this for some alterior motive and not for the good of the community, prove me wrong and i'll use the site

Thanks for your response. I don't mean to come across argumentative here, but I'll address your points in numbered form just like yours:

1) I guess the way you monetize your videos is unique to you so you would see no financial benefit from our site per 1000 views like YouTube's adsense programme
2) We said 'if you have an offer we can't refuse' - This is more directed to potential purchasers of the website and also at large corporations who may which to advertise on the site. Advertising is not something we're planning to implement, but it's not a complete no-go. Websites cost money to run, after all.
3) Myself and Tiago's previous ventures have nothing to do with this site - I also don't understand your reference to turning motovlogging in to a business. A business defines profitable transactions from seller to buyer. We're not selling you anything. It's just a site where we feature vlogs we/the community like.

I've been following several motovloggers for ages - It was M13 himself who convinced me on motorcycles years ago. Judging a website by its creators however is like reading a book by its cover. Are you saying you would have no problem with us sticking adverts on the site if we were well known vloggers? Who we are makes no difference. I'm sorry you feel as though we've missed the mark with the site - I'm all eyes with suggestions on how we could improve it.

Please don't apologise - your criticism is creative and it's appreciated. I can assure you that myself and Tiago are in it for no other reason but to make discovering new content a little bit easier.

Regards

Dominic

 

[lauriejennifer]

Myself and Tiago are simply trying to build a bridge in the Motovlogging community. Other than stumbling across tagged videos and responding to shoutouts, how are people meant to discover new vloggers? We hand pick videos we like and videos that are submitted to us to promote vloggers free of charge.

How? How about this site? Or the Facebook group? You're saying there is this "gap" or this "need," but really you were apparently unaware of what has already been out there. There is motovlog.com (this forum), there is the Facebook group (YouTube Motovloggers & Friends), and there are the various meetups throughout the year, around the world (most of which are organized on this forum).

If you really wanted to help build a bridge, why not join here and help promote what's already out there? New vloggers are always welcome here. It's a great resource and a great community. You're reinventing the wheel.

 

[LeedsRider93]

I quite like the site, it will certainly help people discover new motovloggers and encourage new vloggers to participate in the community. Motovlog.com isn't really in competition with motovlogs.com (MVS), the only similarity is the fact both are related to the motovlogging community. Do people share videos they like on this site? Sometimes, but not generally for new or existing vloggers.

As for advertising and monetisation I don't really care if MVS places adverts on the site. As Dominic said, it costs money to host a website and adverts contribute towards this cost. MVS will increase the video views for featured vloggers, and they in turn will benefit as a result.

At the end of the day, if you don't agree with the site don't use it. Simple.

 

[Premises187]

At the end of the day, if you don't agree with the site don't use it. Simple.

Agreed.
They're not asking for bank details so what bad can possibly come of it?
Anything that promotes the genre is good.

No need for another witch hunt.

 

[Friz]

I'm with Leedsrider and Premise on this.

No need for everyone to be so cynical!

I like the idea. So what if we've already got similar outlets?
People use facebook, doesn't stop them using google+ either - as a comparative example.

 

[Gadgetsandwheels]

I salute any attempts to start a new business these days. I do know a thing or two about this kind of thing.

Any new business proposition has to at least break even and subsequently drive a profit. So there has to be a strategic intent to generate revenue from this new venture. This may be true revenue-revenue or capital investment. Either way it is income or investment. Cash flow to you and I.

I think people are mounting a robust challenge to the concept partly because the strategy isn't intuitively transparent and partly because people are naturally suspicious of the motives of 'portal' websites like the one you propose. I would suggest some further research to understand these challenges to get genuine buy-in. You may need to file down some edges or maybe rethink this conceptually. You need to be getting 80/20 of your target audience to make a success of this particularly given this is a comparatively niche genre.

The other option is to steam ahead and hope for the best. Sometimes this option works if you have an excellent creative team, resources and good SEO skills at your disposal.

Good luck with your endeavour.

 

[dmurphy]

Thanks for the mixed feedback everyone - we've taken it onboard and have decided to add a 'community' button to the main navigation bar which links directly to here (motovlog.com) in a new tab.

Dominic

 

[TrailChaser]

As a brand new member here and soon to be motovlogger.. I was really impressed with the site as it is now.(a few adds would be fine, just don't go crazy like Break.com. lol) I subbed some new vloggers from your site. The guy going offroading with a gixxer 1000(BaronVonGrumble) had me rolling, and I'm not sure I would have randomly stumbled across that video bouncing around youtube. I'm posting your websites link on my "Model specific" forums.

 

[matth1138]

Thanks for the mixed feedback everyone - we've taken it onboard and have decided to add a 'community' button to the main navigation bar which links directly to here (motovlog.com) in a new tab.

Dominic

That's greatly appreciated Dominic. Hope the site works for you.

 

[JollyRoger]

Yeah I don't really see the problem here, the site looks good enough and at the end of the day this site is a forum to discuss and share ideas, questions and knowledge - not primarily content (IMO).

 

[thunderous71]

I see it as a good thing, yea if they make some dosh out of it good for them its not cheap running and site and the man hours involved. We all release our videos onto youtube to be viewed and more publicity the better. If you didn't want you videos shared / embeddable you can disable that from your channel page. Oh and you still get advertising income from your video adverts if your worried about that. Its a win win.

All good in my book

 

[danmoto]

Hi Motovlogs Owners,

I'm Dan, been around a little while now, seen various people come and go, motovloggers, people who profess to be experts on motovloggers, i seem to recall there was even a secret cabal at one point. Anyway, in reference to your note above, where you state that it doesn't matter who you (motovlogs) are. I just want to let you know that in my opinion it does matter. As a motovlogger you put yourself up there for all to see, the good and the bad, you post your video and hope that people like it, you sometimes get a little hurt when you get that first dislike or bad comment, you love it when you post a video that hits 301 views in a few hours, you hate it when your next video doesn't. You sometimes regret posting a video or something you said in the video. People get to know you by your voice, your mannerisms and topics. You get to know others that you watch also. It's all rather weird in all honesty but pretty cool at the same time.

Anyway, i'm not going to judge you both or question your reasons for creating the motovlogs.com site, but by creating it you are making yourselves part of the community therefore and in my opinion it does matter who you (motovlogs) are.

Oh and i submitted a couple of videos to your site, at that time of doing this i thought that your site had been born of this one as you had the forum linked. Now i know that this is not the case, please do not feature any of my videos.

Thank you,

Dan

 

[mrtommygunwhite]

As a brand new member here and soon to be motovlogger.. I was really impressed with the site as it is now.(a few adds would be fine, just don't go crazy like Break.com. lol) I subbed some new vloggers from your site. The guy going offroading with a gixxer 1000(BaronVonGrumble) had me rolling, and I'm not sure I would have randomly stumbled across that video bouncing around youtube. I'm posting your websites link on my "Model specific" forums.

once you sub to one you will find more though what they like comment on i think 187prem got me into the barron