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And that's why people feel butt hurt, they didn't read the small print.

Although I'd welcome some input on topics, can't think of much to yabber about these days!!!
 
SwissMotard said:
It's the network Chaseontwowheels and Motonosity use, for what it's worth.

You will be tied into a 3 year 70/30 split contract though.
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Can you elaborate Swiss? Pardon I am new this is the first time I have heard this... So one of the reasons C2W and Moto have grown to where they are is because they linked up with one of these networks (this network specifically) to help promote their content. Is there any other incentive? So then the measly 55% we get after youtube gets theirs is cut again 70/30...IE you would get only 70% of that initial 55%...lol numbers are hard

just trying to wrap my head around it lol is that how they always have products to review and such? I happen to watch both of them quiet a bit so I am extra curious

Thanks for the info budday! much appreciated!
 
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Ramblin' said:
Can you elaborate Swiss? Pardon I am new this is the first time I have heard this... So one of the reasons C2W and Moto have grown to where they are is because they linked up with one of these networks (this network specifically) to help promote their content. Is there any other incentive? So then the measly 55% we get after youtube gets theirs is cut again 70/30...IE you would get only 70% of that initial 55%...lol numbers are hard

just trying to wrap my head around it lol is that how they always have products to review and such? I happen to watch both of them quiet a bit so I am extra curious

Thanks for the info budday! much appreciated!
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If you're mid-sized (100,000+) then you get to set your own terms, and the bigger you are the more influence you have. I don't think it affects growth very much (I'm too small to say and people keep that info private/just don't know) but you do get some perks (paid for every dollar rather than having a $100 threshold for example) and support where YouTube would just leave you hanging/shut down your AdSense.

If this is your job then relying on AdSense is very risky as one mistake can get that closed down permanently with no way to ever monetise your channel ever again. With an MCN the worst that can happen is you get booted from that MCN and can potentially join another. That's worth the 5% loss of earnings that the bigger guys will have negotiated.

Summary: If you're small or it's not a job don't bother. If you're big or rely on your earnings you'd have to be stupid not to.
 
SwissMotard said:
If you're mid-sized (100,000+) then you get to set your own terms, and the bigger you are the more influence you have. I don't think it affects growth very much (I'm too small to say and people keep that info private/just don't know) but you do get some perks (paid for every dollar rather than having a $100 threshold for example) and support where YouTube would just leave you hanging/shut down your AdSense.

If this is your job then relying on AdSense is very risky as one mistake can get that closed down permanently with no way to ever monetise your channel ever again. With an MCN the worst that can happen is you get booted from that MCN and can potentially join another. That's worth the 5% loss of earnings that the bigger guys will have negotiated.

Summary: If you're small or it's not a job don't bother. If you're big or rely on your earnings you'd have to be stupid not to.
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Thanks budday! Much appreciated for explaining :) Sounds kinda cool to me!
 
No problem at all.

A lot of the negative rep comes from channels that are too small to benefit from joining an MCN doing so, and then being bled for what little income they make with little in return.
 
SwissMotard said:
It's a 70/30 split in the creator's favour.



They recommend a minimum number of videos (1 per month on average, so 12 a year) but there is no requirement, and they do not influence the topics of the vlogs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't recommend them at all but it's important to get the facts right.
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Okay I read that wrong. I see what you mean now. 70/30 in favor of the network would be a fucking ripoff.
 
Lurch said:
And that's why people feel butt hurt, they didn't read the small print.

Although I'd welcome some input on topics, can't think of much to yabber about these days!!!
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Keep a notepad and a pen somewhere you can see it when you're at home...you'd be surprised at the stuff you think of that could be turned into a vlog. Since the weather got too cold to ride where I live, I've written down about 50 topics I'd like to touch on when it gets warm. I keep a notepad on my coffee table and in the bedroom. You never know when you're going to hear something that inspires you or you might wake up with a good idea. American politics is something I'd love to rant about at the moment, and I think we all know how fucked up that is.
 
SwissMotard said:
No problem at all.

A lot of the negative rep comes from channels that are too small to benefit from joining an MCN doing so, and then being bled for what little income they make with little in return.
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I see a lot of channels that I personally don't think are worth watching, but their friend/friends have big channels and they give their smaller channel friends shout outs, so people end up watching them just because of that. By people, I mean the little kid crowd. Kids who aren't even old enough to drive or ride a bike, yet think they have to maintain some kind of loyalty to the bigger channel. If you look at the comments on every big motovlogger page, you can tell it's a bunch of little kids who usually say "I can't wait to get a bike one day" but it's not people like us who actually ride and have been riding for a long time. There's a lot of channels I think are absolute shit, yet they get a ton of views from said little kid crowd. All they do is piggyback off their more successful friends' fame, and it shows. The content is garbage, and that's why I unsubbed from a lot of channels over the past few years. Someone brought up the point that motovlogging is becoming over-saturated, and that's 100% true. It's becoming like a reality show; one person says something and then everyone else has an opinion, but none of it is original. It's not real anymore, and that's why I like watching vids from guys on here. No one is out make a name for themselves and we all talk about real shit. Riot Rider's video about depression really hit home with me, and that was some real shit.
 
elmSTnasty said:
Keep a notepad and a pen somewhere you can see it when you're at home...you'd be surprised at the stuff you think of that could be turned into a vlog. Since the weather got too cold to ride where I live, I've written down about 50 topics I'd like to touch on when it gets warm. I keep a notepad on my coffee table and in the bedroom. You never know when you're going to hear something that inspires you or you might wake up with a good idea. American politics is something I'd love to rant about at the moment, and I think we all know how fucked up that is.
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I use Google Keep so I have my notes sync'd across all my devices.
 
elmSTnasty said:
I see a lot of channels that I personally don't think are worth watching, but their friend/friends have big channels and they give their smaller channel friends shout outs, so people end up watching them just because of that. By people, I mean the little kid crowd. Kids who aren't even old enough to drive or ride a bike, yet think they have to maintain some kind of loyalty to the bigger channel. If you look at the comments on every big motovlogger page, you can tell it's a bunch of little kids who usually say "I can't wait to get a bike one day" but it's not people like us who actually ride and have been riding for a long time. There's a lot of channels I think are absolute shit, yet they get a ton of views from said little kid crowd. All they do is piggyback off their more successful friends' fame, and it shows. The content is garbage, and that's why I unsubbed from a lot of channels over the past few years. Someone brought up the point that motovlogging is becoming over-saturated, and that's 100% true. It's becoming like a reality show; one person says something and then everyone else has an opinion, but none of it is original. It's not real anymore, and that's why I like watching vids from guys on here. No one is out make a name for themselves and we all talk about real shit. Riot Rider's video about depression really hit home with me, and that was some real shit.
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I think the over saturation of motovloggers really comes from the US IMO, since I believe that was where the whole thing became popular first. And now you have a million American Joes with a crotch rocket and a camera, but all of them draw from the same cultural background to entertain with, so there is not enough variety to go around, especially when a lot of them just have one camera and one bike and one computer with no budget or corporate support to branch out into other things.

But it can still be an interesting genre with variety, just that maybe we need to start looking towards motovloggers in emerging communities like we have one from Iraq, a couple from Indonesia, and other SEA countries. Maybe it is interesting to hear what life is like as a rider in other countries, instead of Americans watching other American motovloggers talk about the same thing that they already knew a long time ago?
 
If the channels are too small why are these Networks approaching them anyway and wanting a share of the small pie.

Speaking of which, any good links to video of people talking/explaining about these Networks professionally, on YT or etc? No the ranting type.. The informational type.
 
SighBored said:
If the channels are too small why are these Networks approaching them anyway and wanting a share of the small pie.

Speaking of which, any good links to video of people talking/explaining about these Networks professionally, on YT or etc? No the ranting type.. The informational type.
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There is no cost to them. They lose nothing from signing on a channel that earns near nothing, so why wouldn't they?

I did an episode once talking about it as a small segment. But tbh you don't need to know anything more than, if you are not earning enough to worry about losing your channel, it is not worth it. Networks try to sound like they are business drivers, but they're more like insurance companies. They are designed to prevent great losses, not increase profit.
 
Reize said:
There is no cost to them. They lose nothing from signing on a channel that earns near nothing, so why wouldn't they?

I did an episode once talking about it as a small segment. But tbh you don't need to know anything more than, if you are not earning enough to worry about losing your channel, it is not worth it. Networks try to sound like they are business drivers, but they're more like insurance companies. They are designed to prevent great losses, not increase profit.
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But they earn (almost) nothing, and get the wrath of the channel owner dissing on them and giving them bad rep.. I'd say that's not very wise for the Network.

I am looking to just understand more about what these Networks are, do, function, etc for my own knowledge, not just about the dollar and cents. Not sure how they prevent great losses or be anything close to like an insurance company.

My most recent email was from Rumble.com, went to the site to poke around see, couldn't find out much, so was thinking of any outside source (not related to any Network) that explains clearly what it's all about.
 
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