Mirrors in the way?

FloridaMan

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I filmed a ride the other day to play with my camera setup some more. I have yet to actually film a motovlog yet, but the last bit to my audio setup just arrived in the mail yesterday, so I should be at it soon.
While looking at my footage though I noticed that my mirrors take up a large portion of the screen and I would imagine most people are more interested in what's going on in front of me rather than the mirrors that aren't even angled for the camera to see through.
Screenshot of video as an example.
Have y'all encountered this issue as well with your setup or noticed it in others' vlogs and been annoyed by it? Trying to find some mirrors right now that I like that are either lower profile or go under the handlebars.
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R-Rated

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I filmed a ride the other day to play with my camera setup some more. I have yet to actually film a motovlog yet, but the last bit to my audio setup just arrived in the mail yesterday, so I should be at it soon.
While looking at my footage though I noticed that my mirrors take up a large portion of the screen and I would imagine most people are more interested in what's going on in front of me rather than the mirrors that aren't even angled for the camera to see through.
Screenshot of video as an example.
Have y'all encountered this issue as well with your setup or noticed it in others' vlogs and been annoyed by it? Trying to find some mirrors right now that I like that are either lower profile or go under the handlebars.
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Are you using a helmet mount because it appears to look like a chest mount?

Does the camera have a Superview type setting like Gopros do?
 

FloridaMan

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Boulevard s83 & Boulevard s40
Are you using a helmet mount because it appears to look like a chest mount?

Does the camera have a Superview type setting like Gopros do?
It's a Hero7 Black mounted to the chin of my helmet. It's in Superview, but it's also using hypersmooth which cuts off a little bit of the edges. I never thought of it looking like a chest mount. It's not that low is it? My seat doesn't sit super high. Here's another screen cap that I have.
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R-Rated

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It's a Hero7 Black mounted to the chin of my helmet. It's in Superview, but it's also using hypersmooth which cuts off a little bit of the edges. I never thought of it looking like a chest mount. It's not that low is it? My seat doesn't sit super high. Here's another screen cap that I have.
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The second capture does not appear have as much mirror to screen ratio by my eyes.

I wonder if the onboard stabilization is zooming in to steady the shot over several frames? I have seen my editing software do it if I go more than just a little stabilization.

Think of this. The camera is trying to keep the center of the shot steady and calculated the center by averaging over several frames.

Unfortunately over those same frames we have vibration from bike/road, our bubbly head, and horizon changing with the landscape. So one frame looks too high of center to the cameras brain, the next too low, the next too left, etc.

So the camera crops each frame so what it thinks is center is centered and the result is a zoom which makes your mirrors more noticeable.

You can test this hypothesis by running the same road once shooting with the smooth and once without. Then watch each clip and see if the mirrors look for the difference in the size of the mirrors.

Hope this helps.
 
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FloridaMan

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The second capture does not appear have as much mirror to screen ratio by my eyes.

I wonder if the onboard stabilization is zooming in to steady the shot over several frames? I have seen my editing software do it if I go more than just a little stabilization.

Think of this. The camera is trying to keep the center of the shot steady and calculated the center by averaging over several frames.

Unfortunately over those same frames we have vibration from bike/road, our bubbly head, and horizon changing with the landscape. So one frame looks too high of center to the cameras brain, the next too low, the next too left, etc.

So the camera crops each frame so what it thinks is center is centered and the result is a zoom which makes your mirrors more noticeable.

You can test this hypothesis by running the same road once shooting with the smooth and once without. Then watch each clip and see if the mirrors look for the difference in the size of the mirrors.

Hope this helps.
I think the only reason why the mirror takes up so much less space in the second photo is because it's in the center rather than at the edge where it gets stretched by the fisheye.
The Superview does crop the edges some and this does cause the mirrors to take up more space on the screen, but It doesn't seem to be a whole lot that's cropped and I think having the stabilization may be worth it. I'll go out and shoot a comparison video to look closely at the differences and share the results. Mic Bergsma has a video that shows how much it's cropped.
 
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R-Rated

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I think the only reason why the mirror takes up so much less space in the second photo is because it's in the center rather than at the edge where it gets stretched by the fisheye.
The Superview does crop the edges some and this does cause the mirrors to take up more space on the screen, but It doesn't seem to be a whole lot that's cropped and I think having the stabilization may be worth it. I'll go out and shoot a comparison video to look closely at the differences and share the results. Mic Bergsma has a video that shows how much it's cropped.
MicBergsma is the man! I learned a lot watching his old stuff.

As far as fisheye, is there a linear shooting mode? The 4 had that and it takes the fisheye out like we could do on GoPro Studio program.
 

scooterwuf

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I think Premiere Pro or After Effects can correct or lessen a fisheye lens effect. My camera is mounted on the side of my helmet so don't have the symmetry of both mirrors in my shot.

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SighBored

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The obvious solution is to get rid of the mirrors.. Hahaha.. Or just change them to smaller ones, unless you need the big huge ones.. Then there's nothing you can do about it and just roll with it..

I always have small aftermarket mirrors on because I don't like the OEM huge and sticking far out ones, and the small mirrors I just use to have a quick glance if there's something, followed by head-checks before I do any lane changes or such. That's what I'm comfortable with and it's probably not the same for others.
 

scottrod

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I flipped my mirrors! Looks cool as hell and on my bike can see more!
Just a thought..
 

scottrod

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Inverted them so they are now hanging below the bars. Unfortunately I can't just flip the mirrors on the Boulevard, but I'm trying to find some more I like that I can mount hanging below the bars. I'm trying to decide if I should also put different bars on it though.
I done a mirror install vlog in which I boughr new mirrors and flipped them.

Its on my channel if you get 5 minutes free.

Hope you get sorted bud.
 
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