Legality Of Tools/Weapons

[OKMotorsporter47]

So I had an interesting convo with my buddy today regarding whether or not it is legal to carry certain stuff on a bike that would.....intimidate....douche bags and jerks.

For instance: on old choppers and rat bikes from the 1% crowd you would always use to see chains wrapped around sissy bars, triple tree, etc. They are tools because if it breaks down you have a chain to pull said broken down bike with another one.

Today i watched Mototrippin's video where he had a hatchet strapped to his forks and in his handlebars. He was using it to clear out brush for trails, but if you see a guy with a hatchet, are you gonna screw with him?

So what do you guys think about the legal and social acceptability of those premises? While I'm all about cultivating a positive image of bikers, I DO sometimes feel like I would like to have a little somethin somethin to make some of the more hostile people think twice before taking their hostility out on me.

Thpughts anyone?

 

[thunderous71]

Gonna change from country to country that one...

UK is basically 'carry' a weapon in a public place and you will get done. Have it in a secure place, tool box, rifle case etc etc you wont unless you get it out BUT it could still be considered a weapon and you could in theory be done.

Have it outright on display you may get a warning and the tool/weapon taken.

Its a lot more complicated than that, because if your on private land the legalities change again.

Very basic overview.

BUT what you need to ask yourself is why the feck do you want to carry something like that, intimidation doesn't mean a thing unless you are prepared to follow it through. You're more likely to have the weapon taken off you and turned on you by the sorta nutters that look for confrontation.

 

[Stenno]

I'm SO gonna strap a hatchet to my bike now! haha but seriously, why do you come across so many hostile people in the first place? Maybe you should consider changing neighbourhood!

 

[MotoRick]

When it comes to self defense weapons, brandishing is not a good idea (having a weapon in the open). Heaven forbid, but if you ever really need to use it, you need the element of surprise. Just my two cents worth. Having it out in the open makes good people very nervous. They don't know if you're nuts or not. It alerts bad people so that they can plan a way around it and surprise you. I'm a strong believer in self-defense since 99% of the time the police are only there to clean up the mess after a confrontation. But be smart about it.

 

[MedicDan]

The UK laws on weapon carrying a fairly straight forward and common sense. Unless you have a valid reason for carrying said item, you're gonna have a hard time explaining why you have a hatchet (or axe in the UK) on your person. If I was carrying an axe on my bike from point A to point B for legitimate reasons, It would be either in a backpack or under my seat, in which case it's gonna be little use in the event of a surprise confrontation. "Hang on a minute whilst I get take my bag off and get my weapon out". Even then, how are you gonna justify carrying it unless for legitimate reasons.

Most bike gloves have Kevlar knuckles on anyway which will pack a decent punch, unless you opt for an open-handed slap on your assailant.

If you are adamant on carrying something that you can have at quick disposal and won't arose suspicion, strap a tin of WD40, Brake Cleaner or other bike-related spray/cleaner etc. Least you have a reason for carrying it and it wouldn't generally be classed as a weapon.

At the end of the day, anything can be used as a weapon if you know how. My dad once told me that when he was a lad, a pretty effective weapon was a rolled up newspaper and 3x 2p pieces. How? Roll the paper up on a tight tube, hold it like a sword and place coins larger than the depth of your fingers inbetween your fingers - a bit like a makeshift knuckle-duster.

Element of surprise though. A handfull of anything thrown at an assailant's face will automatically make them shield their face - by which time you've sped off.

 

[TrailChaser]

Funny you should mention gloves as a weapon, I got into a little tiff(not an actual fight) over some girl changing lanes into me before I got my cam.(it was the reason I put the super loud horn on my bike) I caught her at the next light and cussed her out pretty good. Said a few insults that crossed some line since she was white and her passenger(assumed bf) was a black guy. I'm not racist,(don't even own a race car) I was just PISSED and when you have ammo like that at your disposal how do you not use it. Her BF didn't like it and wanted to fight. I pulled into the next parking lot and the guy jumped out of the suv before she even got stopped. He was coming at me fast, so I jumped off the bike and hit him in the ear hard enough with the knuckle protection gloves that he got all wobbly and had to sit down.(I sooo WISH I would've had a cam, because the dumb look on his face after that crack against his head was priceless) I almost hit him a second time but the look on his face said he was out of the fight. When she got out and saw him sitting on the ground holding his head she started freaking out screaming and hollering at me,(WHAT DID YOU DO TO HIM!!!!) I didn't say a word, just went around to the driver side of her FJ Cruiser and cut off the valve stems on both tires then casually got back on my bike and left completely satisfied.(she just kept screaming at me until I was gone) I've been in lots of fights and my right hand always hurt for days afterwards,(fake with the left and destroy with the right) but with those gloves on my hand only hurt bad for a little while and next morning it was fine. Then those gloves where stolen about a week later...Shouldn't have left them on my handlebars.

Just so no one gets the wrong impression. I'm really a nice, laid back, easy going kinda person. It takes alot to piss me off, like putting my life in danger due to stupidity or ignorance, or messing with one of my kids, or my dog. I've gotten a lot better at not flying off the handle and getting violent since my children were born, but that part of a person just gets suppressed. It never really goes away, and tends to bubble up to the surface in times when it's needed. When I was younger fighting was just something my friends and I did for fun when the surf was flat, and the surf was flat most of the time where I grew up. I'm no badass, I have met some real badasses and they have beaten the shit out of me on more than a few occasions. My biggest fear when it comes to fighting nowadays is that I'll go to jail and my kids will find out that Dad got locked up. I haven't been to jail since they've been alive and I'd like to keep it that way.

 

[OKMotorsporter47]

Novemeber 1st here in Oklahoma an appropriately licensed person can openly carry handguns without trying/having to conceal them. I already know a few people who ride who say they plan to always ride now with a piece strapped to their belt. Mind you they are harley riders who are too chicken to ride with the 1%er crowd but wanna look the part!

 

[TrailChaser]

I carry this on my forks when I want to go trail blazing. I don't upload those videos because all the heavy breathing sux. lol
I kinda doubt people even notice the thing hanging on. I think when people look at you on your bike they don't really notice the detail as much as just seeing a guy on a bike... Unless they have some reason to be interested in you. It works great, holds an edge real nice. I wrapped the handle in paracord and made the sheath out of one of the kids old backpack, velcro, and some dental floss. I love the way it has a long enough handle for two handed swings and also the curved end catches and cuts vines that tend to roll off normal machetes.

 

[MedicDan]

Novemeber 1st here in Oklahoma an appropriately licensed person can openly carry handguns without trying/having to conceal them. I already know a few people who ride who say they plan to always ride now with a piece strapped to their belt. Mind you they are harley riders who are too chicken to ride with the 1%er crowd but wanna look the part!

Like a cowboy?

TrailChaser – do the authorities know you killed your dog with that shank? :lol: :lol:

 

[mrtommygunwhite]

Novemeber 1st here in Oklahoma an appropriately licensed person can openly carry handguns without trying/having to conceal them. I already know a few people who ride who say they plan to always ride now with a piece strapped to their belt. Mind you they are harley riders who are too chicken to ride with the 1%er crowd but wanna look the part!

Like a cowboy?

TrailChaser – do the authorities know you killed your dog with that shank? :lol: :lol:

Damm you medicdan you stole my joke lol

 

[MedicDan]

Funny you should mention gloves as a weapon, I got into a little tiff(not an actual fight) over some girl changing lanes into me before I got my cam.(it was the reason I put the super loud horn on my bike) I caught her at the next light and cussed her out pretty good. Said a few insults that crossed some line since she was white and her passenger(assumed bf) was a black guy. I'm not racist,(don't even own a race car) I was just PISSED and when you have ammo like that at your disposal how do you not use it. Her BF didn't like it and wanted to fight. I pulled into the next parking lot and the guy jumped out of the suv before she even got stopped. He was coming at me fast, so I jumped off the bike and hit him in the ear hard enough with the knuckle protection gloves that he got all wobbly and had to sit down.(I sooo WISH I would've had a cam, because the dumb look on his face after that crack against his head was priceless) I almost hit him a second time but the look on his face said he was out of the fight. When she got out and saw him sitting on the ground holding his head she started freaking out screaming and hollering at me,(WHAT DID YOU DO TO HIM!!!!) I didn't say a word, just went around to the driver side of her FJ Cruiser and cut off the valve stems on both tires then casually got back on my bike and left completely satisfied.(she just kept screaming at me until I was gone) I've been in lots of fights and my right hand always hurt for days afterwards,(fake with the left and destroy with the right) but with those gloves on my hand only hurt bad for a little while and next morning it was fine. Then those gloves where stolen about a week later...Shouldn't have left them on my handlebars.

Just so no one gets the wrong impression. I'm really a nice, laid back, easy going kinda person. It takes alot to piss me off, like putting my life in danger due to stupidity or ignorance, or messing with one of my kids, or my dog. I've gotten a lot better at not flying off the handle and getting violent since my children were born, but that part of a person just gets suppressed. It never really goes away, and tends to bubble up to the surface in times when it's needed. When I was younger fighting was just something my friends and I did for fun when the surf was flat, and the surf was flat most of the time where I grew up. I'm no badass, I have met some real badasses and they have beaten the shit out of me on more than a few occasions. My biggest fear when it comes to fighting nowadays is that I'll go to jail and my kids will find out that Dad got locked up. I haven't been to jail since they've been alive and I'd like to keep it that way.

Class - pure class!

Why would you wanna start on a guy with kevlar knuckles wearing a crash helmet? Other than trying to get a lucky kick in his love spuds, where are you gonna it him (or her if your that way inclined) that's gonna make a difference.

People are dumb.

Changing the subject from weapons but in keeping with stoopid cagers, try this one out next time your on the road.
Picture the scene...
You pull up next to someone quite obviously wanting to see how fast you can pull away from the lights.
They give you the look.
You look back at them - not that they can see your eyes anyway through your tinted visor.
They rev.
You rev.
3
2
1
They pull away like the start of the MotoGP Final.
You sit back with your arms crossed and shake your head.

I love doing that. Gets em every time,

Most bikes can pull away from lights quicker than most cars. No need to risk being pulled over to prove it.

Who are they racing???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Mikesmotorbike]

Who are they racing???

:lol: :lol: :lol:

(sorry for reducing it )

funny you mentionned this, happened to me earlier, some guy in a suped up mini peugeot saw me pull up, looked at his girl then up at me and revved looking like he wanted to prove something to her xD with the look in the eye that says "I can win this"...

I'm so sorry, I just had to prove him wrong, not only did he look embarassed when I saw him a bit up the road, but his girl was still laughing at him

 

[OKMotorsporter47]

hehe
I had a riced out litle toyota rev his engine at me. I was on my brother's supped up '06 CBR600RR and I just shook my head. Light turned green and I just sat there. He looked over at me and mouthed "p***y" and started to accelerate as normal. I then with the clutch in revved up to 10k a few times "wroo wroo wroo wrooo!" and he spun his tires trying to accelerate hard at about 5-10mph.

after he is through the intersection I start up as normal then switch to second and unleash. 1/4 mile down the road I blow by him at 100+ while he is still only at maybe 80 and I slowed back down to the speed limit.

Next stop light he rolled down his window asking how fast i was going. "fast enough that you officially got p***y whipped!"

I then turned right and went my own way, crying with laughter!

 

[Neilisin]

I didn't say a word, just went around to the driver side of her FJ Cruiser and cut off the valve stems on both tires then casually got back on my bike and left completely satisfied.

That's a great one! However... HOW did you cut the stems off? Did you have pliers with you?

 

[Darkzy43]

Well you can kick them sometimes they snap

 

[TrailChaser]

I didn't say a word, just went around to the driver side of her FJ Cruiser and cut off the valve stems on both tires then casually got back on my bike and left completely satisfied.

That's a great one! However... HOW did you cut the stems off? Did you have pliers with you?

No pliers, just a nice sharp serrated blade pocket knife. Once you get down past the valve core most of them are just soft rubber that pops into the wheel from the inside. That's how they change them in tire shops. Cut, push back inside the tire break the bead loose and pop the new one in the hole. Doesn't really hurt anything but the pocketbook. I'm sure they had to call a tow truck or leave the FJ sitting there while they took the tires to a shop to get new .50cent stems put back in. She probably thought I slashed her tires when she finally noticed. When I was leaving she was still too worried about her BF to give a shit about the suv. I just wanted some insurance to keep me from having to watch my back on the way home. My bike is only a 223cc dirtbike that tops out at about 65-70mph. So the only way I'm outrunning anyone is thru the woods. lol
I put metal collars on my 4x4 to keep them from getting messed up.

 

[Neilisin]

I didn't say a word, just went around to the driver side of her FJ Cruiser and cut off the valve stems on both tires then casually got back on my bike and left completely satisfied.

That's a great one! However... HOW did you cut the stems off? Did you have pliers with you?

No pliers, just a nice sharp serrated blade pocket knife. Once you get down past the valve core most of them are just soft rubber that pops into the wheel from the inside. That's how they change them in tire shops. Cut, push back inside the tire break the bead loose and pop the new one in the hole. Doesn't really hurt anything but the pocketbook. I'm sure they had to call a tow truck or leave the FJ sitting there while they took the tires to a shop to get new .50cent stems put back in. She probably thought I slashed her tires when she finally noticed. When I was leaving she was still too worried about her BF to give a shit about the suv. I just wanted some insurance to keep me from having to watch my back on the way home. My bike is only a 223cc dirtbike that tops out at about 65-70mph. So the only way I'm outrunning anyone is thru the woods. lol
I put metal collars on my 4x4 to keep them from getting messed up.

I have never really dealt with changing tubeless tyres and the stems on tubes (especially the ones I use), are really damn hard. Makes sense that they're just rubber under the core for regular cars. I'll give that a go if I ever get mad enough to need to express myself like that.