How To Ride Safely On Unknown Roads

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Mr AusAdventure

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Hi guys, just wanted to share my thoughts on some safe riding techniques that I used recently on my 5200 kilometre road trip.

On this trip I was on unknown roads the majority of the time, so from the outset I decided that for the entire trip, I was going to take it pretty easy.

My thinking was that I was better off riding a little slower and making it home than riding at full speed and having something bad happen.

I wanted to enjoy the whole trip and not have anything hamper it.

So anyway, here are some of my thoughts on safe riding whilst I was on the trip. Feel free to let me know your thoughts on this.

Enjoy!

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TriumfAnt said:
I agree. It's a bike tour, not a race. I want to take in the scenery.

Yeah, I agree. That is the sort of riding that i enjoy the most. Getting out in the countryside and exploring new places at a nice pace.

After watching a few of your videos, I think we are very similar in our thinking. :-)
 
Even on roads you know there are risks. That pothole, loose gravel, or idiot in a car might not have been there the last time you took that road! BUT, they are fiercly compounded when you are somewhere you don't know. Lots of guys go down when they hit a curve that turns out to be sharper than they thought...

Just take it easy! You've got the right idea!

Also- one tip from a guy who lives in a rural area that not a lot of people travel through;

Stay away from the yellow line like the plague. Closer to the cities, people see lots of other cars, so they stay in their lane. Out here? They are used to being able to drive 20 minutes without seeing another car. It's not at ALL uncommon for a cage to be lazy and STRADDLE the yellow line coming around a corner. So when you're out on some windy road in unfamiliar territory, make sure you're apex is not kissing the yellow line, but a few feet from it.

What I usually do to avoid issues is ride 'backwards' from what most folks do. I will START my turn (left or right!) close to the yellow (middle) line, and make my apex close to the white line (outside). That means if I'm going around a corner I've decided to take a little more aggressively, and suddenly there's some big truck waaayyyy in my lane? Well, I'm ALREADY to the outside of the lane and I can complete my corner without changing a thing even though that vehicle is violating my right of way! If it's a commercial vehicle, I'll also make a note of the company and any identifying marking on the vehicle, the time and location, etc., and call it in. Only way to stop these guys from doing it is to call their safety departments! The big rigs go over the line because they don't wanna shut off cruise control and slow before the curve. If their job is on the line, they'll slow down. (Unfortunate that their job is more important to them than the potential to end someone elses life to save a half a second!)
 
^^That does sound very backward!

At the end of the day, whatever pace you travel at you need to be well within your concentration zone. Riding at 80% leaves you 20% to play with should some event occur! You should be able to stop your bike on your side of the road within the distance that you can see to be clear. The best advice I know of for riding on unknown roads is using the limit point/vanishing point to monitor your speed. If it's moving away from you, generally you can speed up, but if it's coming towards you you need to scrub off speed until it's static or moving away from you. Also, despite the backwards advice above, stick to traditional lane positioning. The better the view you have, the longer you have to take avoidance action.
 
Romans5.8 said:
What I usually do to avoid issues is ride 'backwards' from what most folks do. I will START my turn (left or right!) close to the yellow (middle) line, and make my apex close to the white line (outside). That means if I'm going around a corner I've decided to take a little more aggressively, and suddenly there's some big truck waaayyyy in my lane? Well, I'm ALREADY to the outside of the lane and I can complete my corner without changing a thing even though that vehicle is violating my right of way! If it's a commercial vehicle, I'll also make a note of the company and any identifying marking on the vehicle, the time and location, etc., and call it in. Only way to stop these guys from doing it is to call their safety departments! The big rigs go over the line because they don't wanna shut off cruise control and slow before the curve. If their job is on the line, they'll slow down. (Unfortunate that their job is more important to them than the potential to end someone elses life to save a half a second!)

Yeah, that whole riding "Backwards" thing sounds difficult to me and could also cause you to run wide if I am interpreting it correctly in my head. Still a bit confused by it. :lol: I know what you mean though. We have lots of winding mountain roads here loaded with tourists who are always short cutting corners. Locals who live on the mountain and are commuting down to work are just as bad at times.

What I was taught in an advanced riding course that I did was to start the corner wide and stay wide until you have a clear view of the exit. Then when you see that it is clear, tip it in and wind on the throttle some more to accelerate out of the corner. And taking this approach at around 80% does allow you to alter your line if need be without panicking like Stenno is saying.
 
Mr AusAdventure said:
Romans5.8 said:
What I usually do to avoid issues is ride 'backwards' from what most folks do. I will START my turn (left or right!) close to the yellow (middle) line, and make my apex close to the white line (outside). That means if I'm going around a corner I've decided to take a little more aggressively, and suddenly there's some big truck waaayyyy in my lane? Well, I'm ALREADY to the outside of the lane and I can complete my corner without changing a thing even though that vehicle is violating my right of way! If it's a commercial vehicle, I'll also make a note of the company and any identifying marking on the vehicle, the time and location, etc., and call it in. Only way to stop these guys from doing it is to call their safety departments! The big rigs go over the line because they don't wanna shut off cruise control and slow before the curve. If their job is on the line, they'll slow down. (Unfortunate that their job is more important to them than the potential to end someone elses life to save a half a second!)

Yeah, that whole riding "Backwards" thing sounds difficult to me and could also cause you to run wide if I am interpreting it correctly in my head. Still a bit confused by it. :lol: I know what you mean though. We have lots of winding mountain roads here loaded with tourists who are always short cutting corners. Locals who live on the mountain and are commuting down to work are just as bad at times.

What I was taught in an advanced riding course that I did was to start the corner wide and stay wide until you have a clear view of the exit. Then when you see that it is clear, tip it in and wind on the throttle some more to accelerate out of the corner. And taking this approach at around 80% does allow you to alter your line if need be without panicking like Stenno is saying.

Well here's what I'm talking about;

A lot of riders will start on the outside of the lane, then go inside the lane, then back outside. That can get you killed on some of these old country roads. Many riders will go OVER the line misjudging the curve, but you don't even need to go over when some lady in a minivan or some big truck is way over the line anyway. Lots of guys get killed out here on their bikes in just those situations. Usually sportbikes, kissing the middle line in the apex, and finding someone over the line!

This assumes, of course, it's a blind corner. If you can see around the entire corner it's different!

So the alternative method is to START at the inside, go outside, and come back inside. It gives you a lot more room to correct and it keeps you away from the middle line, where cars can often be!

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This is an extreme example of the issue I'm talking about. If you're at speed, setting up your corner to make the yellow line in the middle your apex; you might as well close your eyes and let it happen. Once the momentum is going, unless you can straighten it up and stop in time, you're gonna hit the truck. If you make the apex closer to the white line, you can straighten up, hit the brakes, and swing wide onto the shoulder to miss the truck. (Then call the trucking company and report him!)

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Happens a LOT the farther you get away from the city, where there are less cars. And it's not just big rigs, it's passenger cars too.
 
Romans5.8 said:
Mr AusAdventure said:
Romans5.8 said:
What I usually do to avoid issues is ride 'backwards' from what most folks do. I will START my turn (left or right!) close to the yellow (middle) line, and make my apex close to the white line (outside). That means if I'm going around a corner I've decided to take a little more aggressively, and suddenly there's some big truck waaayyyy in my lane? Well, I'm ALREADY to the outside of the lane and I can complete my corner without changing a thing even though that vehicle is violating my right of way! If it's a commercial vehicle, I'll also make a note of the company and any identifying marking on the vehicle, the time and location, etc., and call it in. Only way to stop these guys from doing it is to call their safety departments! The big rigs go over the line because they don't wanna shut off cruise control and slow before the curve. If their job is on the line, they'll slow down. (Unfortunate that their job is more important to them than the potential to end someone elses life to save a half a second!)

Yeah, that whole riding "Backwards" thing sounds difficult to me and could also cause you to run wide if I am interpreting it correctly in my head. Still a bit confused by it. :lol: I know what you mean though. We have lots of winding mountain roads here loaded with tourists who are always short cutting corners. Locals who live on the mountain and are commuting down to work are just as bad at times.

What I was taught in an advanced riding course that I did was to start the corner wide and stay wide until you have a clear view of the exit. Then when you see that it is clear, tip it in and wind on the throttle some more to accelerate out of the corner. And taking this approach at around 80% does allow you to alter your line if need be without panicking like Stenno is saying.

Well here's what I'm talking about;

A lot of riders will start on the outside of the lane, then go inside the lane, then back outside. That can get you killed on some of these old country roads. Many riders will go OVER the line misjudging the curve, but you don't even need to go over when some lady in a minivan or some big truck is way over the line anyway. Lots of guys get killed out here on their bikes in just those situations. Usually sportbikes, kissing the middle line in the apex, and finding someone over the line!

This assumes, of course, it's a blind corner. If you can see around the entire corner it's different!

So the alternative method is to START at the inside, go outside, and come back inside. It gives you a lot more room to correct and it keeps you away from the middle line, where cars can often be!

Oct2.jpg


This is an extreme example of the issue I'm talking about. If you're at speed, setting up your corner to make the yellow line in the middle your apex; you might as well close your eyes and let it happen. Once the momentum is going, unless you can straighten it up and stop in time, you're gonna hit the truck. If you make the apex closer to the white line, you can straighten up, hit the brakes, and swing wide onto the shoulder to miss the truck. (Then call the trucking company and report him!)

100705.jpg


Happens a LOT the farther you get away from the city, where there are less cars. And it's not just big rigs, it's passenger cars too.

Yeah, I have seen those tail of the dragon pics before I think. We have loads of tight corners like that road here full of tourists and locals who often cut the corners, but I still see no reason to start the corner on the inside. Starting out wide gives you better vision through the corner and then you stay wide until you can see that there is nothing coming and can see the exit. Only then do you turn into the middle and accelerate, exiting the corner safely in the middle to inside part of the lane.

In my opinion, you can only do this safely if you are backed off a little. If you are going at 100%, then yes have to dive in that little bit earlier and take the chance that there is nothing coming which is why i don't do it.
 
Theres this tight ass corner on this back road here and you cant see around the corner because theres a hill right there, when i take this corner i honk the shit outta my horn and if that doesnt work, I just rev the bike so the people coming around the corner can hear me!

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Just ride at speeds that you are comfortable with, usually slower on unknown roads and faster on the roads you know.
There is no set speed, depends on visibility, congestion, condition/surface of the road and every corner is different. Just cruise and enjoy the views. That's what I do.
 
MeGustaMoto said:
Theres this tight ass corner on this back road here and you cant see around the corner because theres a hill right there, when i take this corner i honk the shit outta my horn and if that doesnt work, I just rev the bike so the people coming around the corner can hear me!

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me. I always worry about the safety of these new electric bikes that are coming out, being so quiet and all, I think the noisier the bike is, the safer it is.

Maggot said:
Just ride at speeds that you are comfortable with, usually slower on unknown roads and faster on the roads you know.
There is no set speed, depends on visibility, congestion, condition/surface of the road and every corner is different. Just cruise and enjoy the views. That's what I do.

That is great advice mate and pretty much how I ride these days, I never try to keep up with others that are faster than me anymore or treat roads like a racetrack.
 
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