Hit on the wrong side of road, tough its your fault

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Disgraceful. I've seen some very poor driving from Lithuanian lorry drivers, now they're just getting away with it even more.
 
My upcoming video discusses this, you even get a mention Thunderous ;)

It's an odd one. I can't help but thinking I'm missing something somewhere with regard to the case because it's defies belief.
 
The 13 year old who asked me whether a CG125 would be suitable for him was Lithuanian, don't like to stereotype but the seem extremely lax on road laws!
 
This has been discussed in great detail on another forum and it's not as described in the report. The rider admitted in court he could have moved out of the way and the lane was very narrow for the lorry.
Looks like this story has been sensationalised slightly to stir up feelings...and when did you ever take the word of a journalist? Things often get mis-represented in the name of journalism.

The "Advanced line" for a left bend is, as stipulated in Roadcraft, the advanced rider's manual, out towards the centre of the road, when the hazards are seen, or if the bend is too severe to get a safe view, a change in position and/or speed would be required, which is one of my biggest bug-bears against a lot of I.A.M members who seem to think it's ok to remain in that position, banked over, 3 feet away from an on-coming vehicle with a possible closing speed of over 100mph.

Many UK roads are too narrow for lorries, buses and large vehicles and seeing how the lorry was Left hand drive, there's even more of a chance the driver was aware of his position relative to the kerbside.


I would defend riders to the hilt as my job is to keep them alive but some riders (including some YouTube vloggers) don't do themselves any favours by sticking to their position out of stubbournness and principle. (I may lose a few subscriptions for this-lol)
 
the claim was civil, under the doctrine of negligence - i.e. to sue the person for damages.

this is a seperate claim as opposed to getting charged for a traffic offence, and for the insurer covering costs. It's got NOTHING to do with traffic offenses...

This is a pay-day action. If its true that the road was too narrow, the judge is saying it's not enough to show negligence to the required standard.. as in the settled legal definition... "to be so negligent, that no reasonable person in the circumstances would have done so/omitted"...

if the road was so narrow that a big truck couldn't reasonably pass without being slightly over the middle line, what was he s'posed to do? stop and do a U-turn? (potentially more dangerous) - it was found that it was open to the driver to assume that a bike, or even a car, would hug the LHS in such a situation to avoid being clipped by oncoming large truck.

tellingly, even the trial judge who allowed damages found the rider to be CONTRIBUTORILY NEGLIGENT (again, another settled legal defense to negligence) This is relevant too in victoria as IT IS POSSIBLE TO FIND CONTRIBUTORY NEGLIGENCE TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT IT EXTINGUISHES THE CLAIM. (see torts act 58 vic)

and the appeal court so found. This is where the trucking co's barrister's comment came in "the loss only occured as the rider was riding too close" - i.e. he argued that his contribution was so high as it ought extinguish the claim. (nexus doctrine) "the loss would not have occured but for the rider's actions"

so in the circumstances, where the truck, not prohibited from that road, and not able to reasonably make the corner without venturing somewhat over the middle line - can you say the driver was so negligent that a resonable person would not have done the same thing in the circs?

probably not.

claim dismissed.
 
Absolutely. If you watch my upload at time code 0:40, you'll see me move out for the view. When I see the oncoming Mini, I alter position for safety.

At around 0:48 you'll see that I've moved back out for the view then well in at 0:50 - 0:52 because of the lorry and the lorry's rear wheel is straddling a solid white line which, if we want to be pedantic, is a no-no.

Sometimes we need to use a little common sense and allow for these problems and not try to place blame on others, even though it may not LEGALLY be our fault in a RTA, it doesn't stop us getting killed or mamed in the name of principles.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDw1IiLh9Go[/youtube]
 
Stenno said:
Are they your words Clarky or have you lifted them from elsewhere?

They were lifted from the essex bikers forum from a member who lifted it from apparently the notes regarding the trial... But I can not confirm that....
 
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