Bluring your speedo in vids

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The attached video by 44 teeth (not by me) has some very interesting avice about your videos being used against you by the police .
The crux of it appears that the police canot dou you for JUST speeding from a video , but if your speed is very high they can do you for dangerous driving or recless driving and your vid will be used as evidence - so if you are doing 75 in a 60 there is no need for the blur ! All that being said - watch the video as its is quite an eye opener as the guy giving the advice is a layer specialising in motorcycle offences
 

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It is also depending on where you live and what rules apply.

For example, here police need to prove date (and time) for example.
So just your footage won't do.

The only youtuber that got caught was caught for reckless driving and art. 5.
He was seen by multiple witnesses, who could place him on a certain date, which was combined with the footage enough for a conviction.


Quite recently 2 guys did an 11-minute race on the highway, which they shared online.
Of course, shared everywhere and it hit the newspapers, so police did research into it.
They were shown on the highway camera's, license plates visible and good an early morning pick-up from the cops. Rightfully so xD

But in a normal situation, unless they stop you and take your memory card as evidence, they aren't gonna give you a fine here.

(ps. still have to see the video, will do so tomorrow morning.)
 
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An interesting topic... Having watched the video and have some professional knowledge of the subject.

Firstly a key thing to remember for all.... Your not the only ones with cameras... Your recording what your doing, but who else is recording you? Obviously this is may more relevant for urban areas where there is no excuse for twisting the grip and letting it rip. None at all.

In an age where public space CCTV has been invested in as well as property CCTV and noise activated dash cam, door bell etc style cameras, breaking the speed limits or being an idiot in urban areas will or in my mind should land you in the brown stuff.

The mere act of blurring speedos can in its self be an admission that your doing something you shouldn't be. If I was advising an alternative I'd say put your channel logo over your speedo, doesn't look as bad.

Long rant, apologies.
 
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I did think it was an interesting video and wasn't in any way saying it should encourage speeding - I think its important to understand that if you are not riding like a dick but are slightly over the speed limit in a NSL then the police have very little interest in you vid and as a stand alone piece of evice has little worth to them , on the flip if your vid shows you riding like a total idiot the blurring of the speedo is not going to save you from a day in court - so if your vid shows you riding like a bell end then dont put it up in the public viewing platforms .
 

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Def worth watching as your points are mentioned in it @Meifesto
Yupe. Especially that in the UK it needs to be in your vehicle, so on your helmet is "safe".
Difference between countries already ;)

Part about speeding is roughly the same. Reckless driving is what they will get you for, if they can get you.
We do have the part here that they need date/location etc. But as he said, when they know you are it, they will bust you live once, and then use the other footage as extra proof for the reckless driving.
 

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I think if a police officer thinks you have just committed a serious offence he is taking your camera helmet and bike weather you like it or not - minor technicallities in the law will count for nothing at the side of the road !

Ultimately the best way not to be caught by the cops for riding like a dick - is not to ride like a dick ......... man I should be a poet or something
 

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Yupe. Especially that in the UK it needs to be in your vehicle, so on your helmet is "safe".
Difference between countries already ;)

Part about speeding is roughly the same. Reckless driving is what they will get you for, if they can get you.
We do have the part here that they need date/location etc. But as he said, when they know you are it, they will bust you live once, and then use the other footage as extra proof for the reckless driving.
Also worth baring in mind that some laws in terms of evidence gathering etc are different in Scotland. Why rely upon grey areas or paying a high paid money stealing lawyer to fight your case cause you can't ride with respect and within the law.

I am not saying we or I am part of the 58mph Everywhere Club but being sensible and respect the roads and especially urban restrictions is key to a long and unpunished biking life.
 

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I think if a police officer thinks you have just committed a serious offence he is taking your camera helmet and bike weather you like it or not - minor technicallities in the law will count for nothing at the side of the road !

Ultimately the best way not to be caught by the cops for riding like a dick - is not to ride like a dick ......... man I should be a poet or something
Exactly my point.
 
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In that part, i agree.
But we all (or at least 90%+) ride faster then is legal sometimes.
We all have passed that cager that was doing 50 at a 70 road with double white lines.

Of course, breaking as many rules as possible and deliberately riding reckless is something we should all avoid ;)
 
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In that part, i agree.
But we all (or at least 90%+) ride faster then is legal sometimes.
We all have passed that cager that was doing 50 at a 70 road with double white lines.

Of course, breaking as many rules as possible and deliberately riding reckless is something we should all avoid ;)

Nope, double whites are there for a reason, slow it down, wait for them to return to hazard lines or normal road markings then make progress.

Again yes we have all nipped on that part I agree on.
 

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I have a friend who is a police sergeant and I actually discussed this topic with him about half a year ago. Here in the US, YouTube footage of speeding by itself can't be used to retroactively fine or "catch" people, the authorities need evidence which is documented more procedurally like traffic cams, official speed measuring devices, etc. Video on YT doesn't hold up in court by itself for minor misdemeanors.

However, it CAN be used as supporting evidence! Say a cop radars you doing 55 in a 35, pulls you over, issues you a ticket, and you decide to fight it in court. If you filmed the ride and posted yourself speeding on YT then YES your footage an be used in court alongside the officers gun data against your case.

Now, if someone is charged with more than just casual speeding, like say reckless driving where you are endangering other people, or even speeding WAY above the speed limit (twice or more the limit he told me), then yeah footage of said activities can be used to prosecute as well.


So the short of it is this (for the US at least): footage of casual speeding a little over the speed limit isn't anything to worry about or bother blurring, but footage of dangerous stuff which can hurt others is something you 1) don't want to document, and 2) shouldn't really be doing in the first place IMHO.
 

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I have a friend who is a police sergeant and I actually discussed this topic with him about half a year ago. Here in the US, YouTube footage of speeding by itself can't be used to retroactively fine or "catch" people, the authorities need evidence which is documented more procedurally like traffic cams, official speed measuring devices, etc. Video on YT doesn't hold up in court by itself for minor misdemeanors.

However, it CAN be used as supporting evidence! Say a cop radars you doing 55 in a 35, pulls you over, issues you a ticket, and you decide to fight it in court. If you filmed the ride and posted yourself speeding on YT then YES your footage an be used in court alongside the officers gun data against your case.

Now, if someone is charged with more than just casual speeding, like say reckless driving where you are endangering other people, or even speeding WAY above the speed limit (twice or more the limit he told me), then yeah footage of said activities can be used to prosecute as well.


So the short of it is this (for the US at least): footage of casual speeding a little over the speed limit isn't anything to worry about or bother blurring, but footage of dangerous stuff which can hurt others is something you 1) don't want to document, and 2) shouldn't really be doing in the first place IMHO.
Pretty similar to what the video showed, although UK law vs USA will have subtle differences
 
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It is also depending on where you live and what rules apply.

For example, here police need to prove date (and time) for example.
So just your footage won't do.

The only youtuber that got caught was caught for reckless driving and art. 5.
He was seen by multiple witnesses, who could place him on a certain date, which was combined with the footage enough for a conviction.


Quite recently 2 guys did an 11-minute race on the highway, which they shared online.
Of course, shared everywhere and it hit the newspapers, so police did research into it.
They were shown on the highway camera's, license plates visible and good an early morning pick-up from the cops. Rightfully so xD

But in a normal situation, unless they stop you and take your memory card as evidence, they aren't gonna give you a fine here.

(ps. still have to see the video, will do so tomorrow morning.)
Wow, that's a lot of police research and resources put into finding someone Guilty. But I can see if the video went viral or a lot of people report complaints the big watchdog magnifying glass is coming down on you.
 
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In that part, i agree.
But we all (or at least 90%+) ride faster then is legal sometimes.
We all have passed that cager that was doing 50 at a 70 road with double white lines.

Of course, breaking as many rules as possible and deliberately riding reckless is something we should all avoid ;)
It's safer here in California to almost always ride a little faster than the flow of traffic.
 
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I have a friend who is a police sergeant and I actually discussed this topic with him about half a year ago. Here in the US, YouTube footage of speeding by itself can't be used to retroactively fine or "catch" people, the authorities need evidence which is documented more procedurally like traffic cams, official speed measuring devices, etc. Video on YT doesn't hold up in court by itself for minor misdemeanors.

However, it CAN be used as supporting evidence! Say a cop radars you doing 55 in a 35, pulls you over, issues you a ticket, and you decide to fight it in court. If you filmed the ride and posted yourself speeding on YT then YES your footage an be used in court alongside the officers gun data against your case.

Now, if someone is charged with more than just casual speeding, like say reckless driving where you are endangering other people, or even speeding WAY above the speed limit (twice or more the limit he told me), then yeah footage of said activities can be used to prosecute as well.


So the short of it is this (for the US at least): footage of casual speeding a little over the speed limit isn't anything to worry about or bother blurring, but footage of dangerous stuff which can hurt others is something you 1) don't want to document, and 2) shouldn't really be doing in the first place IMHO.
Yes, this is pretty much how it would go down in California as well.
 

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Wow, that's a lot of police research and resources put into finding someone Guilty. But I can see if the video went viral or a lot of people report complaints the big watchdog magnifying glass is coming down on you.

Yeah your right it's a lot of effort and time when folk could just abide by the law or not post it if you are going to break the law in the footage, and save the forces effort and time.
 

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I have a friend who is a police sergeant and I actually discussed this topic with him about half a year ago. Here in the US, YouTube footage of speeding by itself can't be used to retroactively fine or "catch" people, the authorities need evidence which is documented more procedurally like traffic cams, official speed measuring devices, etc. Video on YT doesn't hold up in court by itself for minor misdemeanors.

However, it CAN be used as supporting evidence! Say a cop radars you doing 55 in a 35, pulls you over, issues you a ticket, and you decide to fight it in court. If you filmed the ride and posted yourself speeding on YT then YES your footage an be used in court alongside the officers gun data against your case.

Now, if someone is charged with more than just casual speeding, like say reckless driving where you are endangering other people, or even speeding WAY above the speed limit (twice or more the limit he told me), then yeah footage of said activities can be used to prosecute as well.


So the short of it is this (for the US at least): footage of casual speeding a little over the speed limit isn't anything to worry about or bother blurring, but footage of dangerous stuff which can hurt others is something you 1) don't want to document, and 2) shouldn't really be doing in the first place IMHO.
Yeah pretty similar to UK really, well Scotland anyway. Although if its bad enough speeding it has been done before where the footage has been used in conjunction with the old Time*Distance = calculation to help support cases of Section 2 or 3 of the Road Traffic Act.
 

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Wow, that's a lot of police research and resources put into finding someone Guilty. But I can see if the video went viral or a lot of people report complaints the big watchdog magnifying glass is coming down on you.

Well, the normal time to do the distance they did is roughly 24 min.
So to do it in 11... you get the drift ;)
 
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